From: kiwi@ing.notin.aus
In article <5PGpe.1933$m4.48@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
TheGardenOfToads@nospam.yahoo.co.uk says...
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>Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:
>> In article ,
>> TheGardenOfToads@nospam.yahoo.co.uk says...
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>>>X wrote:
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>>>>Yo TOAD. Seeing if you're still here sharing and learning...
>>>>
>>>>X
>>>>
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>>>Hello!
>>>
>>>Yep - still around (albeit a little infrequently at the moment).
>>>
>>>I'm trying to put together a method of producing an OOBE from a lucid
>>>dream. The other way that I have had OOBE's has always involved the
>>>'vibrational state' and a varied mixture of 'snapping wide awake' with
>>>confounding noises and crazy visual goings-on. In short - it always
>>>scares the crap out of me!
>>>
>>>From a lucid dream - I've never had such feelings of fear (in fact, my
>>>feelings have been the opposite).
>>>
>>>Slow going at the moment. Nothing concrete worth posting.
>>>
>>>Greetings to you!
>>>
>>>TOAD
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>> Some comments - if I may ...
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>> I think it's like going after a holy grail - something that won't
>> be achievable for everyone.
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>Hello Harvey,
>
>I find it hard to accept that OOBE's are achievable by only a select
>number of people. Rather, I think that everybody can develop (or
>awaken?) this ability to a greater or lesser degree. I believe that any
>individual who puts in the time and effort will ultimately achieve
>something (albeit, that 'something' may not be that which they expected!!).
>
Thanks for your comments...
I wonder, if we all do it, but it's not largely in our conscious
mind. ie. We all do it, but forget about it when becoming conscious...
ie. awakening from sleep/dreams/etc.
That it's the 'reality' here, that keeps people from knowing everything.
It's kinda like that saying, that you're using only 10% or less of your
brain, and if you use towards the 90% you'll fry your brain with
the consequences of knowing all too much.
When you die (and other similar states) you're no longer tied to this
reality (because your physical body ties you here) - and so you're free
to roam away from your body.
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>> The impression I got - is that some people have it, the ability and
>> for those who don't naturally have it occurring, that it requires
>> a spiritual, detached and enlightened mindset to achieve it.
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>Some people do tend to be naturals - but I don't think a spiritual and
>enlightened mindset is a prerequisite. I am evidence of that!
>Although, I don't think that it is unreasonable to say that work along
>such a path could ultimately lead to an enlightened state.
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>> To simply have a method that everyone can use and achieve it will
>> change this world entirely - take everyone to the next level of
>> awareness/consciousness/etc.
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>There may be a 'universal' method that everybody could use, but would
>everybody be willing to put in the time and effort in order for that
>method to work? I don't believe that the majority of people would
>commit themselves to hard work without some promise of material gain.
>
>As to advancing to a next level…who knows?!
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>> People may say - Oh, I'll use the ability to achieve some financial
>> or personal gain, etc. Well it is said, you can't.
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>I guess that you could write books on the subject, and sell talismans,
>etc.! I know what you mean, though - and while it may not be beyond the
>realms of possibility (Magick?) - I don't think that many individuals
>would try to develop skills with OOBE's just to make some cash - easier
>and quicker to go out and get a job!!
>
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>> At the same time - if you use it to gain knowledge - to know the truth
>> about things, etc --- that would change the knowledge base of present
>> day reality. Politicians would be rendered useless - we can at last have
>> some genuine people who'll make decisions for the good of mankind without
>> financial gain, etc.
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>I guess it depends if an individual seeks power or wisdom. Knowledge
>may bring either.
>
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>> I thought there was someone who devised a method that anyone could
>> achieve OOBEs - that it was mentioned on Oprah a few years ago?
>> But I never heard much more about it - not that I wanted Oprah regularly
>> tben...
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>I think that more than one individual has made that claim. At the end
>of the day, I think it is best to focus on 'universal' skills that will
>serve you well in whatever method you may use. For example, try to
>learn to quieten your own mind (or rather, the brain). If you can sit
>and focus without being disturbed by the usual cacophony of the brain,
>then you have an ideal 'base' from which to explore.
>
>Different methods work for different people. The best method is that
>which *feels* right for YOU!
>
>If you are practising, then don't push too hard. Think of swimming –
>controlled strokes give you momentum, thrashing about gets you nowhere.
> Practice for practice sake – because it teaches you discipline and
>control. Focus on quietening the brain, and you may just find a method
>presents itself to you.
I guess you mean that mediatating/etc is the way to unlock the
ability/consciousness/etc.
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>Good luck Harvey!
I tried a long time ago - but didn't have much luck, just the
slamming back into the body feeling. Haven't had flying dreams in
a long time too.
Harvey
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>Same incarnation, different day.
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>TOAD
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>> Harvey
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