From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:04:38 -0700, Socs wrote:   
      
   > I don't suppose anybody here can at will interact with the physical world   
   > while out of body?  If so, why the virtually scant documentation on it?   
      
   There have been the occasional poster who claimed to be able to do this;   
   but, of course, we have only their word for it ;-)   
      
   In "Journey's Out of The Body", Monroe claimed to have pinche a woman on   
   her ribcage hard enough to bruise; but, of course, we have only their word   
   for it ;-)   
      
   > And why can't it be validated definitively?   
      
   It could be, easily.   
   Strange that it hasn't, isn't it?   
      
   > Also, wouldn't the rate of identity thefts rise tremendously and in   
   > proportion to the number of people who master this practice?  Wouldn't the   
   > rate of solved crimes increase tremendously?  Wouldn't secret board of   
   > directors meetings and meetings among world leaders be subject to   
   > eavesdropping that current technology and tactics would not be able to   
   > prevent?  Basically, it would be a license to know whatever you want to   
   > know however you want to know it.  And this knowledge would turn you into   
   > somebody tremendously powerful beyond what anybody without this skill   
   > would be able to obtain.   
      
   Yes.  All this is true, and more.   
      
   > It would   
   > give you the power to control people in ways that some megalomaniacs can   
   > only dream about.  My point is that the power to truly interact with the   
   > physical world while astrally projecting at will is so powerful that it   
   > seems unreal.   
      
   IMO, that's because it is.   
      
   >   
   > I've heard that the reason why this doesn't happen is because the theory   
   > is that people are generally good   
      
   Bwahahahahaha!   
      
   People are _not_ generally good.   
   Look what happens when societal constraints are removed: within hours you   
   see looting, within days rapine and murder is common (look at what   
   happened to the peaceful little countries of Yugoslavia and Rwanda as   
   chilling examples).   
      
   > I don't ask this out of disrespect for those who practice astral   
   > projection, but my skepticism abounds.   
      
   Good.  Keep it  up.   
      
   FWIW, there are any number of (IMO, completely feeble) explanations for   
   why the "physical world" projectors interact with is not _this_ physical   
   world.   
      
   Generally they say that they are interacting with the "etheric   
   counterparts" of the real world, or somesuch (I vaguely recall one poster   
   saying, presumably with a straight face, that his sofa had a different   
   vibrational frequency to the rest of his house, and so didn't appear when   
   he projected).   
      
   How we laughed.   
      
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