XPost: alt.feminism, soc.men, soc.women   
   XPost: alt.music.nirvana   
   From: Jude@thebayou.LA   
      
   "bou bou"  wrote in message   
   news:ugaij19ncmmah3bkb7ofcj95chk6tj8csh@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:12:24 -0500, "Jude Alexander"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > > wrote in message   
   > >news:1127789292.804261.64150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   > >> >But if they get touched by someone, this can be considered a   
   crime.   
   > >>   
   > >> Just because I go to a nude beach, it cannot be construed that I   
   > >want   
   > >> to be fondled by strange men. Such uninvited touching constitutes   
   > >> assault and battery.   
   > >   
   > >I wonder if they would agree if the same principle held to strange   
   gay   
   > >men fondling and touching them on some nude beach?   
   > >   
   > Attire and behavior is often used by women to initiate something   
   more.   
      
   I would agree with you if you were fair by saying "used by SOME women"   
   iinstead of indicting ALL women using some sort of manipulative   
   behavior?  How is THAT any different than SOME women saying ALL men   
   are dogs?  They are incorrect in their statement as is yours.   
      
   > The original authors remarks were aimed at a the double standard of   
   > interpretation when touching someone's chest. If a woman grabbed my   
   > left tit for gratification or curiosity, I'd have a very hard time   
   the   
   > same standard of justice that a woman would find if our roles were   
   > reversed.   
      
   Understood that biology plays a different role in life and   
   interpretation of certain acts are unavoidable because of that fact.   
   However, the discussion took a turn to bashing (like the majority of   
   them do) and that's when I put in that if there are SOME men out there   
   who say they have the right to touch a woman simply because she is   
   dressed provocatively and/or is on a nude beach, then do these SAME   
   men believe that gay men have the right to touch THEIR bodies if   
   they're in skimpy trunks and/or on a nude beach?   
      
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