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   Message 6,867 of 7,897   
   David Mitchell to All   
   Re: Is it Real?   
   01 Oct 05 06:43:22   
   
   From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:17:42 +0000, LH wrote:   
      
   > There's a lot worse spam than this. ;-)  Being an Engineer myself, getting   
   > over my science background took several microseconds of mystical experience   
   > to   
      
   ...make me forget all my training.   
      
   >> Naturally, I was a big   
   >> fan of The Dancing Wu Li Masters,  and The Tao of Physics   
      
   This doesn't look promising.   
      
   >> You see, it occurred to me that most educated people today have at least a   
   >> passing familiarity with the implications of science.  We know, for   
   >> example (to our great sorrow) that atom bombs work, and hence, that   
   >> Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is essentially accurate.   
      
   Uh?   
   We know that the essential equivalence of matter and energy is correct;   
   but I don't think nuclear weapons have much to do with SR.   
      
   > We know   
   >> that our computers work, and (whether we realize it or not) this implies   
   >> that crucial tenets of Quantum Mechanics are also 'real'.  In a nutshell,   
   >> we don't really need help believing in science. On the contrary, the   
   >> undeniable evidence of science often makes belief in the spiritual or   
   >> paranormal difficult to sustain. Hence, my purpose in writing Science and   
   >> Spirit was to provide an APODICTIC series of argument that demonstrate   
   >> that belief in science not only supports, but actually DEMANDS acceptance   
   >> of spiritual and mystical phenomena.   
      
   Somehow, I doubt it.   
      
   > (The word apodictic comes from the   
   >> field of formal logic. It refers to an assertion that is incontrovertibly   
   >> or demonstrably true as a result of having been deduced systematically, in   
   >> a stepwise manner, from incontestable foundational principles, in such a   
   >> way that denying it leads to a contradiction.)   
      
   Given your shaky knowledge of physics, and the hidden shallows in your   
   research, I suspect your logical foundations aren't as secure as you think.   
      
   >> Once we see that   
   >> science proves the existence of this power, we will be able to utilize it   
   >> without reservation.   
      
   As you doubtless can?   
   No.  Didn't think so.   
      
   >>            Don't worry - I shall not continue hyping my book here,   
   >> although, of necessity, my posts and replies will undoubtedly contain   
   >> elements from the book, since it pretty much sums up all that I believe.   
   >> It is also a book that I was commanded to write, but that's a story for   
   >> another day ;^)   
      
   That whooshing sound is your remaining credibility flying out the window.   
      
   Here's a rough guide:   
   If you think you're talking to God, you're mistaken.   
   If you think God's talking to you, you're crazy.   
      
   HTH.   
      
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