XPost: alt.dreams.castaneda, alt.dreams.lucid   
   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   clave_scripts wrote   
   ...   
   >> ### - heh well maybe i totally misunderstood something there, because i   
   >> don't think one 'does' actually fall asleep with WILDs (seemingly the   
   >> complete opposite of DILDs which require sleep to attain them) -   
   >> hyperempiria being (i thought anyway) more the result of hypnotic-type   
   >> suggestion, a kind of trance-induced visionary state open to suggestion   
   >> (i.e. perhaps just another form of 'unconscious' access to the engine   
   >> that   
   >> actually produces the dreams, as opposed to the conscious + deliberate   
   >> entering into an altered state of awareness where 'falling asleep'   
   >> (losing   
   >> it/dropping the ball) is only a kind of accident, which under ideal   
   >> circumstances only young children would ever be expected/tolerated   
   >> to make hehe :)   
   >>   
   > in a WILD one is having REM, no?  to be in REM one's body is alseep,   
   > no?  see what i mean?   
      
   ### - now there i'm not sure... i mean i've seen material that suggests REM   
   is definitely connected to ordinary dreaming & DILDs etc, but when it comes   
   to WILDs it doesn't actually feel like you're asleep, just merely accessing   
   the same dream-inducing mechanism that only usually becomes activated via a   
   totally unconscious route which is always accompanied by sleep...   
      
   in other words: from the pov of WILDs ordinary sleep would appear to be   
   unnecessary, and because falling into a 'sleep' maybe only happens when the   
   dreaming mechanism is accessed in an 'unconscious' manner, which from the   
   pov of WILDs you don't have to do (sleeping becomes optional in other words,   
   although why anyone would ever want 'ordinary' dreams i can't imagine:)   
      
   i.e. from the pov of WILDs there appears to be no need to go to sleep to   
   have dreams, having dreams becomes only one option after consciously   
   entering into an altered state of awareness   
      
   as to REM during WILDs i rather doubt it, not genuine full-blown WILDs   
   anyway... not unless people doing remote viewing also get/have REM as well i   
   mean? and because from the pov of WILD one doesn't appear to actually be   
   asleep, but rather to be just experiencing an altered state, the 'same'   
   state that if 'unconsciously' accessed is accompanied by physical sleep and   
   ordinary dreams   
      
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