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   "Archangel"  wrote in message   
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   > "Tom"  wrote in message   
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   >> Throughout his explanation of astral travel, Bruce again and again says   
   >> that what is being travelled though is "mind stuff".  Even in OOB's he   
   >> says it is not physical travel but something that seems so close to it as   
   >> to appear indistinguishable.   
   >>   
   >> From his "Treatise on Astral Projection":   
   >>   
   >> "The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and   
   >> permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all   
   >> thought. Its contents are created by the collective consciousness of the   
   >> world mind. It contains all the thoughts, memories, fantasies, and dreams   
   >> of every living thing in the world."   
   >>   
   >> Jung's "collective unconscious", somewhat reworked.   
   >> "The astral dimension is composed of astral matter and is aptly described   
   >> as mind stuff. It is extremely sensitive to thought and can be moulded   
   >> into any shape or form. These creations can be so perfect as to be   
   >> indistinguishable from reality."   
   >>   
   >> Here he agrees with me.  The events and locations experienced in astral   
   >> projection are created by the traveller from the contents of his or her   
   >> own mind.   
   >>   
   >> "Technically, when you project into the physical world in real time as in   
   >> an OOBE, it is really into the boundary area of the buffer zone, between   
   >> the physical and astral dimensions. If the astral body contains enough   
   >> etheric matter it can exist only slightly out of phase from reality. This   
   >> means the projection is in real time and so close to the physical   
   >> dimension as to be indistinguishable from it."   
   >>   
   >> Here also he agrees with me.  OOB travel is not actually travel in the   
   >> physical world, but in a very close analog to it.  I choose to call this   
   >> analog a "mental model".  He chooses to call it some sort of "dimension".   
   >> However, we both agree that OOB's are not physical phenomena but   
   >> something that seems very much like it, in our subjective experience.   
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   > You are such a fake it is breathtaking. Jung agrees with you? Jung never   
   > heard of you son. You are a liar and a fraud.   
      
   First, the person to whom I referred when I wrote "he agrees with me" was   
   not Jung.  You have again failed at basic reading comprehension.  I suspect   
   it's the lack of practice.   
      
   Second, it is not necessary to meet someone to agree with them.   
      
   Third, your posts continue to be completely empty of any content except your   
   own spite.  Strive for something better.  Even you are probably capable of   
   it, given sufficient effort.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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