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   From: archangel@devnull.com   
      
   "Kaycee"  wrote in message   
   news:dtapfe$87l$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...   
   > Archangel wrote:   
   >   
   >> "Tom"  wrote in message   
   >> news:2ZadnaWYSpNaG2Xe4p2dnA@comcast.com...   
   >   
   >>>Here also he agrees with me.  OOB travel is not actually travel in the   
   >>>physical world, but in a very close analog to it.  I choose to call this   
   >>>analog a "mental model".  He chooses to call it some sort of "dimension".   
   >>>However, we both agree that OOB's are not physical phenomena but   
   >>>something that seems very much like it, in our subjective experience.   
   >>  You are such a fake it is breathtaking. Jung agrees with you? Jung never   
   >> heard of you son. You are a liar and a fraud.   
   >   
   > Before accusing anyone of lying, you might want to read what they are   
   > writing, first. Tom didn't say Jung agrees with him. I don't think he   
   > meant that Robert Bruce was literally standing next to him and saying "I   
   > agree" to him, either. Do you even understand what was written here?   
   >   
   >   
   > Cheers, KC   
      
   Yes I do, and yes I did. Thanks though.   
      
   Let me explain. Tom is an habitual liar and deceiver, he is notorious for   
   it. What his recent posts are about is that he has read some stuff about   
   psychology and (surprise surprise) he has recognised similarities with what   
   he has heard other people say or with what other people have written. So   
   naturally (for Tom; he is desperate to portray himself as a person who knows   
   about Magic - despite all of the evidence), he climbs into pontificating   
   mode and spouts off .   
      
   Consider this. In recent months he has:   
      
   * Derided people who say they have had OOBE's and said they are delusional.   
   Now he claims to have had them himself.   
      
   * Derided people who say they have seen demons and said they are delusional.   
   Now he claims to have evoked them to visible appearance himself and claimed   
   to have seen other people doing it as well. In fact he once even claimed he   
   could eat demons(!) - supposedly we should actually take the clown   
   seriously.   
      
   * Derided Jungian psychology as having been discredited (esp the bit about   
   the collective unconscious), and now he claims that his view of the   
   collective unconscious are supported by noted scholars.   
      
   * Derided those who say that the Hermetic Axiom has merit as being gullible   
   and fraudulent. Now he claims it has merit.   
      
   * Derided Mathers and the Golden Dawn. Now he says the GD was bona-fide.   
      
   * Derided Carroll Runyon as being a charlatan and a poser (apparently   
   because Runyon reportedly threw Tom out of a magical organisation some years   
   ago for being a notorious and trouble-making no-hoper). Now he says that   
   Runyon developed the best evocation method (i.e. the dark mirror) while   
   being seemingly unaware that this method has been used for centuries.   
      
   Etc etc etc ad nauseam   
      
   The only thing he does well at (and he does these things *extremely* well,   
   are sneer at others and be a hypocrite.   
      
   Were this the first time or even the hundred and first time, I could stomach   
   it. As it is he is a disgusting liar and cheat.   
      
   A   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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