XPost: alt.dreams.lucid, alt.dreams, alt.magick   
   From: Archangel@nulldev.com   
      
   "Tom"  wrote in message   
   news:pY6dnXIZaMXrf2TenZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...   
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   > "Archangel"  wrote in message   
      
      
   >> Tom is an habitual liar and deceiver,   
   >   
   > Or at least that's what you claim.   
      
   No, it is actually the case. No claiming about it.   
      
   > Then again, it was you who claimed that uranium ore wasn't radioactive and   
   > then tried to excuse your appalling ignorance by claiming that you were   
   > actually lying about that.   
      
   See what I mean? I never said uranium ore wasn't radioactive. You are a   
   hopeless liar.   
      
   > Not only that but you have accused me of lying about the fact that I have   
   > been destroyed, even though I'm clearly still around to remind you of what   
   > prat you are.   
      
   You are lying again. I said no such thing. Can you actually tell the   
   difference between reality and your own fantasies?   
      
      
   >   
   >> What his recent posts are about is that he has read some stuff about   
   >> psychology and (surprise surprise) he has recognised similarities with   
   >> what he has heard other people say or with what other people have   
   >> written.   
   >   
   > Well, sort of, if you want to depict it in a weird collection of   
   > half-truths.  However I didn't write in the post you refer to that Jung   
   > agreed with me, as you claimed.   
      
   I said that Jung never knew you. This is correct. I said Jung never agreed   
   with you. This also is correct. So what is the problem you dull boy?   
      
      
   >   
   >> So naturally (for Tom; he is desperate to portray himself as a person who   
   >> knows about Magic - despite all of the evidence), he climbs into   
   >> pontificating mode and spouts off .   
   >   
   > This is the best example of a pot calling a kettle black that I've ever   
   > seen.  Archie doesn't even *like* evidence and never provides any in   
   > support of anything he claims.  He believes that the Hermetic Axiom means   
   > "that which is within is the same as that which is without".   
      
   Liar, you have peddled this lie before. Show me where I said this...   
      
      
      
   > He also believes, despite a complete lack of evidence that the British   
   > Medical Council translated it, a claim for which he has, yet again,   
   > provided not a smidgeon of evidence.   
      
   Liar again, I believe no such thing. In fact it was you who quoted the   
   British Medical Council in refutation of a   
   statement I made about the Hermetic Axiom (a statement which you   
   subsequently agreed with. Perhaps your memory was failing? A good liar need   
   a good memory Tom).   
      
      
   >> Consider this. In recent months he has:   
   >>   
   >> * Derided people who say they have had OOBE's and said they are   
   >> delusional. Now he claims to have had them himself.   
   >   
   > Untrue. I have never called the experience of an OOB a "delusion".   
   > Archie, the self-admitted liar and deceiver, is at it again.   
      
   Liar again, you did so many times in a previous thread.   
      
      
      
   >> * Derided people who say they have seen demons and said they are   
   >> delusional.   
   >   
   > An experience of something one calls a "demon" is not the same as a belief   
   > about the nature of that demon.  Apparently Archie is unable to   
   > distinguish between an experience and one's beliefs about that experience.   
   > It's a common failing for those who don't know very much about magick.   
      
   Liar again you said demons are imaginary though you previously claimed (no   
   evidence of course) to have eaten some (with mayonnaise one assumes).   
      
   You are getting trapped by your own lies you mendaciously dull boy.   
      
      
      
      
   >> Now he claims to have evoked them to visible appearance himself and   
   >> claimed to have seen other people doing it as well. In fact he once even   
   >> claimed he could eat demons(!) - supposedly we should actually take the   
   >> clown seriously.   
   >   
   > *You* do.  You simply take it seriously in a negative sense.   
      
   No I dont, I am laughing at you son. Same as anyone with a brain.   
      
      
      
      
   > That so few people in   
   > this newsgroup take your own baseless pronouncements about magick   
   > seriously. In your frantic effrts to explain to yourself how such an   
   > unthinkable situation could possibly have arisen, blame it on me for   
   > "deriding" you.   
      
   I dont blame you for anything Tom, your mendacity isn't your fault. Probably   
   it is your Mom and Dad's fault for telling you there was no Santa Claus or   
   that you dont have fairies at the bottom of your garden or something.   
      
      
      
      
      
   >> * Derided Jungian psychology as having been discredited (esp the bit   
   >> about the collective unconscious), and now he claims that his view of the   
   >> collective unconscious are supported by noted scholars.   
   >   
   > I have no idea where this bizarre interpetation comes from.  It isn't   
   > anything even remotely like anything actually said.   
      
   Check your own previous posts then you liar.   
      
      
      
   >> * Derided those who say that the Hermetic Axiom has merit as being   
   >> gullible and fraudulent. Now he claims it has merit.   
   >   
   >   
   > I said that *you* are gullible and fraudulent.  I cited a number of   
   > sources demonstrating that scholars who have actually studied the Hermetic   
   > Axiom don't agree with your interpretation of it.   
      
   Including that well known commentator upon occult literature, the British   
   Medical Council. What a liar you are...   
      
      
      
      
   At no time have I ever   
   > claimed that *anyone* who believes the Hermetic Axiom has merit are   
   > gullible and fraudulent.   
      
   You called me gullible an fraudulent for quoting it you poor sad dull   
   untruthful boy.   
      
      
      
   >   
   >> * Derided Mathers and the Golden Dawn. Now he says the GD was bona-fide.   
   >   
   > This one apparently is a wholly a product of Archie's overactive (but   
   > sadly limited) imagination.   
   >   
   >> * Derided Carroll Runyon as being a charlatan and a poser   
   >   
   > A huckster and a poseur, actually.   
      
   OK, and yet now you say he has developed the best technique for evoking   
   spirits. Perhaps it is you who is the huckster and poseur son. Much more   
   likely.   
      
      
      
   >> (apparently because Runyon reportedly threw Tom out of a magical   
   >> organisation some years ago for being a notorious and trouble-making   
   >> no-hoper).   
   >   
   > Carroll and I have never met in person nor have I ever been a member of   
   > any organization in which Carroll wielded any authority.   
      
   SO you weren't in an organisation with Runyon then?   This is your normal   
   half-truth mode son, but we are all awake to it now.   
      
      
      
   > This is another   
   > completely fabricated bit of nonsense.  No doubt he would have done so had   
   > we ever crossed paths this way.  Over the years, he's thrown out virtually   
   > every other person who ever was in his group, unless they left before he   
   > got around to them.  He's kind of a grumpy guy.   
      
   And you are a kind of untruthful guy.   
      
      
      
      
   >> Now he says that Runyon developed the best evocation method (i.e. the   
   >> dark mirror) while being seemingly unaware that this method has been used   
   >> for centuries.   
   >   
   > If the method Carroll uses for Goetic evocation has been around for   
      
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