From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Tue, 09 May 2006 11:47:07 -0500, Dick Silk - The Computer Tutor wrote:   
      
   > DS>> what brought you to notice OOBEs in the first place?   
   >>   
   >>> practice makes perfect....   
   >> I have no idea what that means in this context.   
   >   
   > practicing lucid dreaming and practicing having OOBEs will eventually   
   > lead you to have them (if you haven't already.)   
      
   I have had two (trivial) OBE's, one of which I documented here.   
      
   > Once you gain proficiency at   
   > such totally "un-provable phenomena" you will, at least, have proven it   
   > to *yourself,*   
      
   I know that the _phenomena_ is real, I just disagree with most here as to   
   what it means.   
      
   I have not been able to test OBE's objectively (although I _do_ normally   
   have a blind card set-up just in case ;-)   
      
   > which is at least as much progress as proving to yourself that you are   
   > actually "alive--" (which is also impossible.)   
      
   Cogito ergo sum.   
      
   > There comes a time   
   > when FAITH is required to accept the un-provable.   
      
   Not to me.   
      
   I'm a rational man.  To me, "faith" of any kind, is worthless, since,   
   almost by definition, it's irrational.   
      
   > And, of course, once   
   > you find FAITH, you may actually find God tucked away in there as   
   > well...   
      
   If I ever find myself believing in God, I'll seek medical advice.   
      
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