From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:25:46 -0800, rolandberry wrote:   
      
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   > David Mitchell wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:26:58 -0800, rolandberry wrote:   
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   >> The more sceptical among us routinely ask those who claim to be able to   
   >> have "real world" OBE's to test themselves in some way.   
   >>   
   >> I think that, so far, no one has successfully reported the contents of a   
   >> remote location.   
   >   
   > I have read that some people go astral projecting together. I wonder if   
   > they are able to independently give an account of their "journeys" and   
   > whether they match. I very much doubt it. If they could then the   
   > implications would be enormous and this would have been verified   
   > centuries ago.   
   >   
   > It gets under my skin a bit when somebody like Monroe in his tape (CD)   
   > gets people to affirm that they are more than their body. Where is his   
   > proof? This is making an extraordinary statement as we are visibly only   
   > our body. If he is making that claim and he has all that research done   
   > then where was his research behind that claim? What experiments were   
   > done? Either the guy is clueless as a researcher, in which case we   
   > would have to call into question the entire collection of his research,   
   > or he is being disingenuous and is adding the religion/spiritual angle   
   > to get more punters in.   
      
   IMO, Monroe was deluded but sincere.  Certainly the impression I got from   
   his earlier books was of someone who was trying to be an honest and   
   competent reporter of his own experiences.   
      
   He wasn't a researcher as such, and although he _was_ once tested, by   
   Charles Tart, the results were unimpressive.   
      
   Whether his Institute was a conscious scam, I have no idea.  I'm sure   
   Kathryn has a view on this ;-)   
      
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