From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:23:37 -0800, h elmer | espeance wrote:   
      
   > good point, who determines what is really there?   
      
   Uh, the people who know _what's really there_.   
      
   > i've seen that video of a person in a gorilla suit walking through a   
   > group of people tossing a basketball around - it's done is such away   
   > that one doesn't really notice the gorilla walking by, because of where   
   > we choose to focus our attention, even though this is captured on film   
      
   You can do pretty similar things _betwen two people conversing_ and they   
   will fail to notice.   
      
   > to me, your point shows exactly that our attention and beliefs filter   
   > our perceptions, not that obs and parapsychological phenomena don't   
   > exist   
      
   Not what I was arguing; which is that personal experience, fun though it   
   may be, is not a good guide to reality.   
      
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