From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:25:43 -0800, h elmer | espeance wrote:   
      
   > and who are the people that really know, i'm serious, and i know you   
   > are too, and i find it amusing that you don't see what i'm getting at?   
      
   I presumed you were talking about some mystical question of whether what   
   we see is objectively real; which I deliberately ignored.   
      
   At the macro scale, reality _is_ objective; and, what was  _really_ there,   
   in this case, was not in doubt.   
      
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