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   "h elmer | espeance"  wrote   
      
   > to answer you 1st, it could be, it could also be that you are   
   > interpretting imprints of physical matter, or on other levels,   
   > interpretting energy into the closest way that your mind allows   
      
   I can see that, its quite unstable   
      
   > my use of "phase shifting" means it is a dimension we don't normally   
   > see with our physical eyes, but is an analog, a mirror of physical   
   > reality, like but not exact, a different "phase" of reality that we're   
   > open to when we're ob   
      
   So what you are stating is that: when ob, its only to another actual place   
   mirroring our own, than just ob into the real material world?   
   Can experiments be done in that way?  Like the book experiment, I think   
   David was speaking of?   
      
   > what you're also getting at is how to distiguish between thought forms   
   > and the actual, in an ob environ   
      
   I think so, yes, any suggestions?   
      
   thanks agian,   
   bb   
      
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