From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:43:08 -0800, Blue_Beard wrote:   
      
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   > "h elmer | espeance"  wrote   
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   >> yes, dive on in, kind of been waiting - ha ha   
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   > Ok, have you ever (when ob or lucid dreaming) done any kind of meditation   
   > exercise?   
   >   
   > BTW tell me if I'm wrong, but in lucid dreaming I 'wake up' in the middle of   
   > dreams, but I think I would call it an ob when I'm laying down (awake but   
   > almost asleep) and get this vibration up my spine (can even control it (move   
   > it up and down the spine)when I concentrate hard enough) while I'm awake and   
   > then I get out (ob) it only works sometimes and at other times I'm awake and   
   > still feeling the spinal vibrations but no ob.  How would you all categorize   
   > that?   
   >   
   > bb   
      
   Some people (Monroe, for example) think that the "vibrations" are a   
   prerequisite for OBE's - others don't experience them at all even though   
   they have what is otherwise a "classic" OBE.   
      
   Others have the vibrations but no OBE.   
      
   Both of my OBE's were preceded by the vibes; but I've had them on multiple   
   occasions since and simply fallen into a dream.   
      
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