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   From: bluebeard@azule.net   
      
   "h elmer | espeance"  wrote   
      
   > do youmean while i was ob?  or prior to inducing an ob?   
      
   Oh, I mean while in ob or in a lucid dream, I have had experiences when my   
   attention is directed to something small (once it was a leaf moved by wind   
   on a tree) and then meditate while in that state.  Just wanted to know   
   anyone else's experience of it.  Sometimes I meditate once out of body and   
   before exploring anything else.  It seems like it is a lot easier to   
   concentrate my mind when ob/lucid dream.   
      
   > I'm in line w/ what david reports - i do think that is one way to   
   > categorize the difference, by recognizing the vibes (i've had them too)   
   >   
   > if you're awake your basically able to focus your attention on a   
   > nueronic and bioeneregetic aspect of your being, if you can induce this   
   > regularly at will i think it's a healthy cleansing practice, a   
   > development of awareness, and well yes, kundalini   
      
   Yes, can do most of the time, although not consistently with ob results.   
      
   > either way, I'm curious to know how you induce them, can you describe   
   > what process you go through to bring on the vibes?   
      
   Sure, I do concentration of/on tingling sensation from toes up to the head   
   with some breathing techniques(I had an old x-pro tennis player that went by   
   the name mohian  teach me to do it from head to toe about 15 years ago, but   
   the other way gives me better results and I learned it from another group)   
   and then I imagine a lightning bold on my solar plexus that 'scans' the   
   inside of my spinal cord (from the anterior part of my body) and I know when   
   the bolt hits the chakra (and I see that as a specific spot on the spinal   
   cord) when I feel a banging sensation, then I just keep concentrating on   
   that.  It takes me about a good 45 min to an hour.   
      
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