From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:22:03 +0000, David Mitchell wrote:   
      
   > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:06:59 -0800, hermes wrote:   
   >   
   >> David Mitchell wrote:   
   >>> Sorry Mike; but it's almost certainly impossible.  All the evidence we   
   >>> have, is that the brain is all there is.   
   >>   
   >> If I understood correctly the OBE reports that I have read,   
   >> souls do not use language. There is a sort of direct communication   
   >> between consciousnesses. Also, there is no face recognition.   
   >> Only an awareness about the identity of that person.   
      
      
      
   >> I am not trying to say you are wrong. Who am I to say that?   
   >> I am just trying to point out that sometimes these scientific   
   >> arguments are not so strong as they seem to be.   
   >   
   > You are also omitting all of the other arguments, animate vs inaminate and   
   > so on, not to mention the vexed question of what computational substrate   
   > the disembodied use to think with.   
      
   Sorry to respond to my own post; but I think this sounds more   
   combative than I intended - I was in a hurry to get out and post some   
   cards.   
      
   The question of vision in OBE's is rather interesting.  I've been using   
   sbagen to spend prolonged periods in hypnogogia, to investigate the way   
   "perception" works there.  To me, it appears very similar to the way   
   perception works in dreams, and, from what I remember, in OBE's.   
      
   Essentially, perception in these three states seems to be more symbolic   
   than actual - rather than seeing things for example, one is simply aware   
   of them.  They are still visual; but vision is perfect (for example, I   
   have examined seagulls flying in my dreams in a way that is impossible in   
   RL without binoculars).   
      
   Does this match anyone else's impressions of their dreams or OBE's?   
      
   I also wonder whether people suffering from "face-blindness" (those with   
   deficits in their face-recognition modules) can recognise people in dreams   
   or hypnogogia.   
      
   Any PA sufferers out there able to tell us?   
      
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