From: owester@wanadoo.nl   
      
   "MikeH"  schreef in bericht   
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   > "hermes"  wrote in message   
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   >> On Feb 28, 8:27 pm, "MikeH"  wrote:   
   > (MikeH) My question: Are OOBE's truly actual separation from the physical   
   > body and experiencing distant places, events and even times which one can   
   > remember upon return and that RV is just putting out "feelers" and only   
   > experiencing a vague idea of the target area?   
   >   
   > (hermes) I only had a few OBEs, all of them quite limited and "local",   
   > that is, I found myself in the bedroom, saw my body in the bed, walked   
   > through the closed door. I can tell you that the feeling is very   
   > convincing.  felt I was there. In some occasions, I touched my   
   > "non-physical body", it felt real, although somehow softer than my   
   > physical body.   
   >   
   > It is true that the same feeling of reality can be experienced in   
   > (some) dreams. This is something I would like to understand: which is the   
   > difference between a dream and an OBE ? There is a difference, for sure,   
   > but I wonder if one can distinguish them sharply or there are intermediate   
   > states, maybe a continuous range of them ?   
   >   
   > (MikeH) Thanks for that. That's just the kind of thinking I'm after. I've   
   > read so much tosh with very little substance that I'm beginning to wonder   
   > if I should bother any more.   
   >   
   > A point that you brought up - the difference between a dream and an OBE   
   > also splits into two other, distinct, problems. Let's assume that dreams   
   > and OBE's are ACTUALLY different, it is possible that they can be   
   > PERCEIVED as being similar, so that presents the difficulty of   
   > differentiating between them. I recently had what I thought could have   
   > been either, but there was a certain clarity about it and the fact that I   
   > can recall it clearly weeks later makes me think that it was an OBE rather   
   > than a dream. But how do I KNOW? Heeeelp!   
   >   
   > MikeH   
   >   
   It could have been that you had a lucid dream.. these are very clear.. I   
   have had much lucid dreams and they can be so clear as things in common   
   live. so your memory of it can last longer..   
   eldor12   
      
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