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   From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk   
      
   ClearTonal wrote:   
   > On Jun 1, 2:11 am, David Mitchell  wrote:   
   >> ClearTonal wrote:   
   >>> On May 31, 6:49 pm, "Bernie Kovack"  wrote:   
   >>>> Is an "out of body" experience nothing more than a lucid dream, or does it   
   >>>> involve "soul travel"?   
   >>>> If it's the latter, would it be possible for two people who are propertly   
   >>>> trained to "meet up" and communicate?   
   >>>> URL's would be greatly appreciated. I spent a few hours googling and got   
   >>>> nowhere.   
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   >>> this is a very good question. The shamans of ancient Mexico also asked   
   >>> it, and were not satisfied with conjectural answers. The physical body   
   >>> seems to release something that has awareness, but what?   
   >>> They found the answer in states of dreaming. They discovered that an   
   >>> out-of-body experience is a dream state in which one's daily awareness   
   >>> is transferred to his or her dreaming body, which is a real entity and   
   >>> part of the total existence of every living being.   
   >>> I hope this helps.   
   >>> Warm regards   
   >>> ClearTonal   
   >> If I'm right, these unattributed quotes are from Carlos Castenada.   
   >>   
   >> What you have to remember is that Casteneda made it all up.   
   >>   
   >> Hope /this/ helps.   
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   > yes these quotes are from CC. Did he?   
      
   Yes, he did.   
      
   > Opinions vary,   
      
   Not much.  Take a look at the wikipedia article.   
      
    > and if you were   
   > to try it out, you would find that the techniques do indeed work.   
      
   In what sense?  Have they been tested in any onjective way?  Or do they   
   work in the same way that many mystical techniques work, simply because   
   what they offer is completely subjective and can be explained by the   
   belief of the practitioner that they do?   
      
    > If   
   > you do not make the attempt to verify, your opinion is only a second-   
   > hand agreement, and that is not worth much.   
      
   It seems to me, that the person making the claims should provide the   
   evidence.   
      
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