From: david@edenroad.demon.co.uk
Piccolo Pete wrote:
> "David Mitchell" wrote in message
> news:g4bck9$n8v$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Piccolo Pete wrote:
>
>>> The hostility arose in response to abusive demands for proof that we
>>> could not supply because we are all basically self-taught, undiciplined
>>> explorers.
>> No, the hostility arose whenever even the idea of proof was mentioned.
>
> A proof was not needed at that time and it should have been obvious to you.
> What those people did was similar to going into a first grade class and
> killing all the children.
No it wasn't. Not even the teensiest tinest bit.
How can you possibly compare the two?
>>> There was a point in time, prior to the skeptic
>>> attacks, when this newsgroup was the most organized NG in its class.
>> And still, it achieved nothing of any objective value.
>
> So... now you want to prove you are full of crap? And what does it matter
> to you anyway?
I'm interested in the subject.
> This is just a newsgroup about an altered state of
> consciousness. Why is it so important to you?
I'm interested in the subject.
> Why don't you go attack some
> of the child porn groups?
I'm not interested in that subject; and I rather suspect they're not
areas for debate.
>>>> Or can you tell me of any significant breakthrough in understanding of
>>>> the experience which has been made during all the years this group has
>>>> existed?
>>> We were defining certain portions of the experience when the skeptic
>>> attacks began. Such as "Skimming the surface", "Vibrations", "Making the
>>> shift",
>> These all sound like reasonably sensible attempts to begin categorising
>> the experience.
>>
>> How were they "Attacked" such that you had to stop doing it?
>
> Blatant demands for advanced levels of proof. I told you this before. We
> could not respond to this level of attack.
You "had" to? What, did your fingers stop working?
>
>>> "Light portals" to change dimensional perception, discovering that music
>>> within these experiences may actually be a way to control various organs
>>> in our bodies, learning of certain archetypes such as fairies and demons
>>> that could indicate early detection of a disease. Is that not enough?
>> Too much. You're already starting to impute meaning to experiences in a
>> way which is snot supported by the evidence. That's probably what got
>> your ass kicked.
>
> We weren't talking to you or your cohorts. We were invaded and destroyed by
> a bunch of insane stone-brained skeptics.
>
> If you don't understand what an archetype is then you are a total freaking
> idiot on this subject.
Actually, I do know what archetypes are. Thanks for asking.
But what I was talking about, if you read carefully, was the difference
between reporting an experience, and assigning meaning to them.
The former is always scientifically valid - the latter leaves you open
to having your assumptions questioned.
>
> Look at your goddam post. You have no clue what a light portal is. You
> don't give a damn about the music. These are real things. These are real
> things that were stomped all over by your ignorant skeptic friends.
Real to you, perhaps. Real subjective phenomena, perhaps. But you
cannot make the leap to saying that they're objective phenomena without
a lot more research.
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