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   From: cary@afone.as.arizona.edu   
      
   In article <54g7d41259tbs6ntsdd6s13vc35l0pkv3q@4ax.com> Therion Ware   
    writes:   
   > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:39:54 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu   
   > (Cary Kittrell) wrote:   
   >   
   > >In article  Nosterill  writes:   
   > >> On Sep 18, 12:39=A0pm, Therion Ware  wrote:   
   > >> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:19:13 -0700 (PDT), Andres64   
   > >> >   
   > >> >  wrote:   
   > >> > >Better start thinking of your excuses now.   
   > >> >   
   > >> > >I heard a story on BBC today about an extensive investigation into   
   > >> > >Near Death Experiences (NDE) and Out of Body Experiences (OBE). =A0The   
   > >> > >researchers are going to put images into emergency/operating rooms.   
   > >> > >These images are not going to be visible at ground level, but anybody   
   > >> > >claiming to have had an OBE and floating above their body should be   
   > >> > >able to tell what the image is.   
   > >> >   
   > >> > >Care to make any bets as to the excuses for why they can't?   
   > >> >   
   > >> > Sue Blackmore (of Meme machine fame, et al) did some very interesting   
   > >> > research into this some years ago ran a very similar set of   
   > >> > experiments. Oddly enough no one was ever able to accurately describe   
   > >> > the picture on her bedroom wall. Though many tried, using varying   
   > >> > methodologies...   
   > >>   
   > >> People were having near death experiences in her bedroom??? Scary   
   > >> woman!   
   > >   
   > >Oh, Susan's a hot little number, of at least that was the   
   > >impression I got from reading her books describing her   
   > >earlier career as a psi researcher.  Left me with a   
   > >pronounced crush on her.   
   > >   
   > >I recommend these books.  She spent many years struggling to   
   > >find out why she so consistently failed to get positive   
   > >results from her experiments, and even got negative   
   > >results when trying to replicate the successful experiments   
   > >of other resesarchers.   
   > >   
   > >Bottom line: turns out she was doing better science.  But it took   
   > >her more than a little time, effort, and emotional struggle   
   > >to come to this realization.   
   >   
   > Dr. Sue discovered  that Dr. Carl Sargent faked his results. I have   
   > something to say about this, in due course.   
   >   
   > In the meantime, here's the link:   
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   > At the time I knew Carl well and the then Professor of Experimental   
   > Psychology at the University of  Cambridge [England] ( O. L. Zangwill   
   > at the time, who I knew better ) had always maintained that he would   
   > allow a parapsychology Ph.D project providing whoever wanted to do it   
   > had a Cambridge  first.   
   >   
   > IIRC Carl had a double first.   
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   > Which just goes to show.   
   >   
   > The guy I really felt sorry for was the guy Carl was supervising.   
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   I did download, and read that.  Very interesting.  Thanks for that.   
      
      
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