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   From: david@edenroad.demon.clo.uk   
      
   On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:10:33 -0800, Iain wrote:   
      
   > On Nov 8, 12:32 am, Andres64  wrote:   
   >> On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, Iain  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > On Nov 7, 7:18 pm, Andres64  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > > > Why? Are you denying the experience itself exists?   
   >>   
   >> > > Yes.   
   >>   
   >> > This isn't an issue. I've had the experience. It's a brute fact.   
   >>   
   >> No.  It's your claim which is unsubstantiated.   
   >   
   > But you don't ask for further substantiation when someone complains of   
   > feeling faint. Why do you have misgivings about this particular   
   > experience?   
   >   
   > ~Iain   
      
   And, more to the point, how would you substantiate the claim?   
   If you're not willing to accept the word of people who've had the   
   experience what proof would you need?   
      
   I can fully understand that you might not accept their interpretation of   
   their experience, as I, generally, do not; but that many people have had   
   an experience which, to them, could be described as seeming to be outside   
   of their physical body, is not really in doubt.   
      
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