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   MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com to All   
   the interaction between UFO's and clouds   
   24 Mar 22 19:11:49   
   
   EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:   
      
   - We compare UFO data and cloud height data seen by weather satellites.   
   - By plotting cloud heights and UFO reports across the US we find the   
     "typical height" of a UFO is around 4100m where a "bump" appears in   
     the curve.   
   - We see a significant decline in reports when cloud heights are above   
     ~4100m, indicating the average UFO does not really want to be seen.   
     When cloud height makes them easily seen they fly higher than normal.   
   - As clouds rise above about 5000m the number of UFO's seen does not   
     change much which shows the relevant flight level may balance out a   
     wariness for being observed by the ground against observing the   
     ground themselves.   
      
   (Other UFO articles are archived at ).   
      
      
   I was interested to see the highly-redacted version of the UFO report   
   to Congress The Black Vault managed to recently obtain.  While whole   
   sections of the declassified version of the secret version of the   
   report were released blacked out, some other paragraphs showed   
   subjects like the usual shape of UFO's and their observed operational   
   characteristics are now a state secret.   
      
   We've seen in previous posts some of these flight characteristics are   
   relatively easy to determine from data that has been public for decades.   
      
   We can estimate other characteristics by relating lists of known UFO   
   sightings with relevant satellite data.   
      
   In this article we'll look at relating UFO appearances and satellite   
   data on clouds.  I'm using the ISCC cloud dataset here where gridded   
   data on monthly cloud height, density, coverage and other parameters   
   were collected over the globe for the past 20y.   
      
   The relevance of some of this should be immediately apparent.   
   E.g. cloud heights can tip off what kinds of altitudes are related to   
   UFO's of different types. Low-level clouds block at least some (if not   
   all) observation of the objects. As cloud heights increase we might   
   expect more and more UFO's to be reported as more and more of the sky   
   becomes available to observe. If we plot cloud heights in a region   
   versus the UFO's reported from that region we might expect to see an   
   increasing curve. But it would be more interesting if we saw one or two   
   "bumps" in the curve that might indicate "characteristic heights" of   
   different types of objects.   
      
   We will examine some of the more detailed things later. Suffice it to   
   say here we will find different objects do different things.  And we   
   will find that cloud characteristics strongly relate to the numbers of   
   objects reported some places, but seem totally unrelated to reports in   
   other places. This in itself is interesting because it allows us to   
   find the patterns that explain which regions see a strong linkage   
   between e.g. cloud heights and UFO visibility and those regions where   
   it is not related. And these patterns display certain activities that   
   some objects may be linked to. And some of the links are not pretty.   
      
   But to start with, let's just look at some preliminary data on cloud   
   heights verses number of UFO's reported.   
      
   The "cloud height" from the ISCC dataset means the top of the clouds   
   as seen from the relevant satellites in a certain region averaged over   
   (in these data) a month. The heights are km above MSL rather than the   
   landscape. As usual, I use the NUFORC dataset for UFO observations   
   given its transparency policies.   
      
   The following are a very compact summary of the data we have after   
   quite a bit of crunching to reduce it all to common bases. In a future   
   post we will see what happens when you throw the data through some   
   complex stats modelling s/w that will pull out those parts of the data   
   that are highly related according to statistical tests, rather than   
   leaving all the "noise" in the data (as below).   
      
   Date         Av height    Av num UFO's reported   
                (km)         (% of monthly max)   
   2006.21      1.93544      0.531067	:*   
   2007.96      2.46313      12.622	:*************   
   2007.96      3.24431      16.2846	:****************   
   2007.96      4.13769      18.596	:*******************   
   1984.21      4.17155      7.40741	:*******   
   2007.96      4.98961      19.2384	:*******************   
   2007.96      5.79956      19.8758	:********************   
   2007.88      6.61403      19.8668	:********************   
   2007.71      7.49874      15.8657	:****************   
   2007.54      8.18044      16.4693	:****************   
      
   The Date is the year/month as a decimal when the relevant sightings   
   were dated. Across all the US states we calculate the monthly total of   
   UFO sightings as a% of the maximum number known.  Then we   
   average all the state numbers together.  A similar procedure applies   
   to the satellite cloud heights (Z).  The av cloud height for the month   
   is calculated for each state by averaging over the state's area. All   
   the state heights are then averages to get the national average   
   height.  I've then sorted the same in order of cloud heights to try to   
   see a pattern in the UFO numbers.   
      
   We see when cloud heights were low there were relatively few UFO's   
   observed. We might deduce this is because UFO's are travelling above   
   the clouds and are therefore unobserved (since in the NUFORC database   
   most observations happen from the ground).   
      
   As cloud heights increase we see UFO observations increase, too.   
   E.g. with clouds topping around 2400m UFO's are reported at levels   
   around 12% of their monthly maximums.   
      
   We see as cloud heights increase a bit more the report numbers go up.   
   But at 4200m there's a sudden dip. Now *this* is interesting.  It's   
   indicating UFO's are characteristically moving around about 4100m   
   above sea level, but when clouds move higher the average UFO seems to   
   re-position itself to an even higher level where they suddenly become   
   invisible to the ground observer again.   
      
   They have a certain "tolerance" to being seen from the ground, but   
   when it becomes too easy to observe them, they change their behaviour.   
      
   We see in the rest of the table that no matter how much higher clouds   
   move above about 5000m the number of UFO's observed is about the same.   
   They do not become harder to see, as we might expect.   
      
   It seems we are seeing the resolution of an interesting conflict.   
   UFO's fly above clouds so as not to be too easily seen, but they don't   
   like to fly too high or they miss out on their own observations of   
   what is happening on the ground.   
      
   --   
   "Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.   
   Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less."   
   - Marie Curie   
      
   Opinion: UFOs are a National Security Concern; the USAF Needs to Come Clean   
   The Debrief/Matthew Ford, 14 Mar 2022   
   Retired USAF officers have reported UAP in close proximity to military   
   sites for decades. It is time for congress to demand answers.   
      
   UFO Expert 'Absolutely Floored' By Revelation From Obama Library   
   The news comes amid an unprecedented series of disclosures about UFOs.   
   HuffPost/Ed Mazza, 16 Mar 2022 409a EDT   
   A leading researcher into govt secrets says he may have found   
      
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