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|    04 Oct 24 16:39:04    |
      XPost: alt.ufo.reports, alt.paranet              After some scouring of web resources I've managed to gather together a       big list of monster sightings in lakes and oceans. The longish history       of the sightings makes a tantalising study possible -- can we link       these data to the movements of planets and asteroids going back       centuries? Of particular interest are the movements of Pluto. Normally       it's very long orbit -- almost 250y -- means it can't reliably       compared with any phenomena that does not go back to at least the 16th cent.       With sea monsters, it becomes possible.              The only small problem we find now is the movement of Pluto itself       is not very well known prior to the 18th cent. I had managed to       snaffle some data from JPL that purported to show the orbital position       of Pluto back to the 17th cent. Just checking today is seems that       model has been withdrawn and the present Horizons database only tracks       Pluto back to 1800. But I still have the older version of the data,       so let's forge ahead!              The AI programs have been churning through the problem for several       days now, examining many ways of massaging the available data and       performing robust analysis thereof, and they seem to be settling down       to a less than interesting conclusion the data is just too poor at       this point to drawn any detailed conclusions. However they are quite       sure there is SOME link between planetary movements (we've also looked       at key asteroids going back 100s of years, too, but that I'll leave       for a follow-up article) and lake/sea monsters, but exactly which       planets have the best link(s) depends on exactly what you do in the       analysis.              An outline of how the calculations proceed is as follows. We assemble       a "total sightings" series based on data going back to the 16th       cent. The data-set we're using today consists of sightings for 3 lake       monsters -- Caddy, Nessie, and Champ -- plus historical sightings of       "sea serpents" in the Atlantic and Pacific. The Champ data consists of       2 sources -- a set of roadside signs in Pt Henry, NY, and a 2023 paper       by F. Foxon. The net result is an estimate of the rate of sightings       per year going back to 1635.              (Random sample of 1/2 the data-points:)       1635 24.7375 1636 6.7261 1638 13.3755 1639 13.6528 1643 13.5462 1645 14.9221       1650 26.4682 1651 19.5114 1652 16.1528 1655 12.2257 1660 2.73077 1661 6.95687       1665 23.1477 1666 21.7421 1668 19.1825 1671 25.9682 1674 20.7421 1676 24.7375       1677 9.87545 1679 20.5114 1682 23.7375 1684 6.7261 1685 12.3755 1690 22.3319       1691 22.3319 1695 10.9564 1699 5.13636 1702 26.2375 1703 9.78571 1704 20.6011       1705 20.6011 1707 15.4518 1709 7.2261 1710 3.82051 1711 7.2261 1714 1.58974       1719 17.9518 1720 24.7375 1722 22.1011 1727 20.5114 1730 6.36713 1731 9.28571       1732 12.4221 1734 13.8154 1735 3.82051 1738 23.6477 1739 23.1477 1740 12.8154       1744 17.4518 1748 20.5114 1749 13.8154 1753 16.6825 1754 12.3755 1755 7.86713       1757 12.4221 1759 12.1062 1762 13.8154 1764 8.2261 1765 21.7421 1767 6.36713       1768 22.1011 1770 24.8785 1771 17.2426 1772 8.28571 1775 14.862 1776 4.08974       1777 12.5462 1780 17.6825 1782 3.08974 1783 16.2426 1785 15.1528 1786 16.9518       1787 13.8154 1788 23.1477 1794 17.6825 1796 9.28571 1799 13.6062 1801 16.7426       1802 10.8755 1806 15.0462 1807 11.3755 1808 12.3154 1811 22.1011 1812 12.2257       1814 11.3154 1818 13.4221 1819 14.862 1820 6.86713 1824 15.362 1825 5.32051       1827 18.0114 1829 6.86713 1830 2.23077 1831 8.2261 1832 25.9682 1833 24.3785       1834 13.9221 1835 21.7421 1836 9.45687 1837 9.51648 1838 15.4518 1839 5.7261       1842 11.9564 1843 10.7857 1844 11.3154 1848 2.73077 1851 13.6062 1852 13.0165       1854 9.72566 1859 1.5 1861 10.5165 1863 14.6528 1864 15.9221 1866 10.5165       1867 24.7375 1869 24.3785 1870 25.3785 1871 10.5165 1874 25.9682 1876 18.0928       1877 22.5114 1878 4 1879 11.6364 1881 18.5928 1882 16.9221 1883 23.6477       1885 12.7857 1887 10.7857 1889 16.6528 1890 23.7421 1893 17.7426 1897 14.0462       1902 17.7426 1903 7.95687 1904 19.6011 1906 12.5462 1909 6.95687 1912 12.3154       1915 8.45687 1916 11.2857 1917 8.95687 1919 1 1923 16.6528 1924 8.86713       1925 20.7421 1929 2 1930 4.82051 1931 13.0165 1933 96.7308 1934 133.922       1938 33.4569 1939 19.3671 1941 3.23077 1947 21.8755 1949 10.7857 1950 17.4221       1951 20.0118 1952 20.3205 1955 9.08974 1956 6.32051 1957 16.8755 1963 20.5897       1964 24.1364 1965 23.7857 1966 35.7857 1969 19.3205 1970 11.7261 1971 24.4569       1972 14.5 1974 20.6364 1975 20.4569 1976 29 1978 29.8205 1980 24.8205       1981 63.2308 1982 35.5 1983 44.7308 1984 37 1986 23.3671 1987 22.2308       1991 7 1992 13.1364 1993 7.23077 1995 19.7426 1996 24.2857 1998 17.6364       2001 14.2857 2002 12.3671 2003 22.2426 2005 6.23077 2006 9.13636 2007 4.23077       2009 6.13636 2012 12.5165 2015 23.6528 2016 11.8205 2018 17.8205 2019 32.6528       2020 18.1364              What we're going to do is create a series of "validated models"       against the positions of the major planets (and Pluto!) going back as       far as the JPL data goes. By "validated" we mean part of the data will       be used to estimate the model -- how the sightings vary depending on       the avg annual distance of each planet from the Earth -- and then that       will be checked to ensure the rest of the data is explained just as       well. To up the pressure on the models they will have to meet a series       of stringent requirements -- not only must they validate (as above)       but they must be statistically relevant as well. They must pass at       least 1 usual stats test (e.g. rank test or T-test on the \beta of a       time series model), they must all be "power models" i.e. relate the       sightings rate with some power of the distance of the planet from       Earth, and the model must show the closer the planet the greater the       number of expected sightings. I've also added in one other thing the       AI's sometimes get away with. The model must USE the data from each       century of the data-set rather than ignore it. Sometimes a small number       of data-points (e.g. 10%) are too far from the predictions a model       makes and the procedure usually is to go back and ignore those points       in order to make the model "more certain". I wont care about overall       certaintly this time -- I just want to make sure every century of the       dataset contributes in some way to the estimation of the model.              To make things even harder on the AI's, we also specify the last 1/4       of the data is all that can be used for training the model; however the       remaining 75% must be found to fit the same model without any mucking around!              And, so, after some days of twiddling, including going back several times       to re-combine the known data into the estimate of "total monster       sightings for the year", we finally have the following list of results:                     Validation Filter Trans Planet/object       0.649872 1.5 jupbary       0.650533 1.5 satbary       0.652327 1.5 x uranus       0.653412 1.5 x mars       0.657618 1.5 x neptune              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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