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   From: jtem01@gmail.com   
      
   Okay so back when usenet was still a thing, back before   
   it was abandoned by all except for a nym shifting   
   troll working out it's self inflicted trauma, there used   
   to be real debated on "God" and "Proof."   
      
   They sucked, none of them ever rose above the recital of   
   something they once read followed by childish taunts, but   
   there were debates. Between people. And one of the dumbest   
   was when so called "Atheists" demanded evidence for the   
   existence of God.   
      
   This was dumb for two reasons, btw, and by that I mean   
   three reasons.   
      
   #1.  When they said "Evidence" they meant "Proof." Seems   
   few if any people in all the history of usenet were even   
   aware that there is a difference.   
      
   They always just assumed that one was an alternative   
   spelling for the other...   
      
   #2.  The fakers, the so called "Atheists" couldn't meet   
   their own standards that they tried to impose on theists.   
      
   The fake "Atheists," for example, disallowed self reports,   
   personal testimony. This wasn't actual "Evidence" they   
   claimed. But, without it they had ZERO evidence for even   
   the existence of atheists!   
      
   There's no "Atheist" label inside of bones, no marker in   
   human DNA. The only "Evidence" for the existence of   
   atheists is the fact that some people say that they're an   
   atheist, and the online whack jobs had already disallowed   
   such self reports.   
      
   So, know what they did? The fake atheists, when this   
   contradiction was pointed out; do you know what they did?   
      
   Nothing. Well, the doubled down on their stupidity and   
   insisted that it was "Different" when they did it...   
      
   #3.  The theists had evidence. Plenty of it. Maybe some   
   did not find it compelling but even evidence that isn't   
   compelling is still evidence. Let's start with medical   
   miracles! And then there's the fact that science itself   
   regularly invokes God for an explanation. Of course   
   they have to change the name to avoid triggering the   
   stupid people so instead of "God" they say "Observer"   
   in the Copenhagen interpretation. They say the   
   "Programmer" in the simulated Universe or even the   
   "Brain universe."   
      
   Again:  Evidence is not an alternative spelling of "Proof."   
      
      
   Now the point here isn't that you can't ask for "Evidence."   
   No. The point to all this is that the focus needs to be on   
   ourselves, not some other person.   
      
   Fake atheists can't see themselves and won't even try. This   
   is how their hypocrisy is invisible to them. THEY can   
   dismiss self reports of evidence even as they insist upon   
   them for themselves, because... well... it's because they   
   can't see themselves. They are blind to their own faith,   
   their own prejudices.   
      
   This applies to the topic of religion and God, yes, but   
   also aliens and even ghosts and other paranormal   
   phenomena...   
      
   Look. A narcissist attempts to obstruct conversation. They   
   want to interfere with it, stop it. They demand "Evidence"   
   knowing full well that they're never going to believe   
   anything. So...   
      
   If you care, if you actually want someone to change your   
   mind, even if you know that they can't, don't ask for   
   "Cites" or "Evidence."   
      
   That's just the symptom of a narcissistic personality   
   disorder... assuming you're not a full blown sociopath or   
   psychopath.   
      
   Instead, try to be aware of yourself:  What would convince   
   you?   
      
   And I'm speaking at a minimum, not an extreme.   
      
   Honestly, and this is true here, if the only thing capable   
   of convincing you that there's life on other worlds is if   
   one lands their saucer in front of you, takes you for a   
   ride, let's you beam your high school bully into a wall   
   before probing your anus & tagging you with one of their   
   implants, you're the problem. You're wasting everyone's   
   time.   
      
   Science doesn't work that way. Nothing could get done   
   if all our researchers were time-wasting narcissists like   
   you are.   
      
   Deconstruct the problem. make the proverbial "Sound   
   Scientific Inference," and present it to others, preferably   
   people who are not demented, to see if they can find   
   errors in your inferences. This gives you the basis for   
   predictions and it's those predictions, if tested properly.   
   which will provide you with the evidence for or against.   
      
   Change you.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
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   https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)