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   "Malte Runz"  wrote in message   
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   >   
   >On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:23:50 +1000, "Andrew W"    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message   
   >>news:eoek6khnnmkai0cfrcftst4af8e0rvb0j7@4ax.com...   
   >>>   
   >>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 09:22:06 +1000, "Andrew W"    
   >>>wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:mjnh6khvpsqq2871njjta0rta6fq0jsihb@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 09:58:50 +1000, "Andrew W"    
   >>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>"Malte Runz"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:qbhf6klnb7a6djkojsklqo6iga95ssdfg4@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 13:24:07 +1000, "Andrew W"    
   >>>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>(snip)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Crashed craft retrieval cases have come out hundreds of times. ...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Now, that's what I call a 'positive claim', and we all know what that   
   >>>>>>>entails.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Only mainstream media followers and 'authority' followers have never   
   >>>>>>heard   
   >>>>>>of that. Normies.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Of course I've heard the claims made before. Do you think you're the   
   >>>>>only kook on the internet?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>If you call me a kook then you also have to call air force pilots,   
   >>>>senior   
   >>>>military officials and investigators etc. kooks too. ...   
   >>>   
   >>>And I do.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>You have little or no knowledge or qualification to do so. It's you who   
   >>has   
   >>no credibility.   
   >>Pilots and military officials are highly trained and have a career to look   
   >>after. They can't afford to talk crap.   
   >   
   >And their career will survive after they've been spilling the beans?   
   >Think, man. They are, as you claim, revealing some of the deepest   
   >secrets kept hidden for generations. How is that going to protect them   
   >and their career?   
   >>   
      
   80% of them won't just spill all the beans, only parts.   
   And these public talks usually happen decades after the events and when the   
   classification of documents have expired.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>Did you see the hearings in the US Congress a while back?   
   >>>The airforce (?) guy who claimed that some of his superiors had   
   >>>ADMITTED!!!! that they were in the possession of alien crafts? He   
   >>>looked so god damned miserable in his chair, when it dawned on him   
   >>>that nobody believed him and that he most likely was the butt of a   
   >>>joke everyone else was in on. A proper kook, but honestly, I felt   
   >>>sorry for the guy.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>That's just your woke emotion based reaction. You've been conditioned   
   >>since   
   >>a young age to ridicule such things, and that's because of the CIA   
   >>ridicule   
   >>program that's been running for decades, which you also don't know about.   
   >>Why do you never ask the obvious question: Why would governments go to so   
   >>much trouble to cover this up? I think you're not smart enough to think   
   >>this   
   >>far.   
   >   
   >You're absolutely right. I'm way too dumb to understand these things.   
   >Explain, oh wise one, why would the government, who is trying to keep   
   >all things 'alien' hidden, allow "Pilots and military officials" to   
   >participate in public hearings, where they spill the beans? Yes,   
   >explain that one to me.   
   >   
      
   See above re. docs being declassified and old events.   
   And there's a slow gov disclosure happening now because too many people are   
   demanding it and the gov doesn't want an implosion of their narrative when   
   things boil over.   
      
      
   >   
   >And no, I'm not really looking to you for an answer. I'm being fucking   
   >ironic, in case you haven't noticed.   
   >>   
      
   Like a troll.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>It's far more likely that you're just an ignorant arrogant smartass   
   >>>>troll   
   >>>>reacting from your emotions.   
   >>>   
   >>>Ignorant, no. But arrogant smartass, yes.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Thanks for the part admission.   
   >   
   >I've never though of it as a secret. I've been trying really hard to   
   >make it as obvious as possible.   
   >>   
      
   Ignorant too (Dunning Kruger effect).   
   So then why comment on these topics?   
      
      
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>> ... Upgrade your   
   >>>>>>>>sources.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Name one.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Of course you don't know any except the mainstream info suppressing   
   >>>>>>ones.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I can't possibly know what /your/ sources are.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You don't have any proper sources so you're always on the lookout for   
   >>>>some.   
   >>>>That's obvious.   
   >>>   
   >>>Is this how you think it plays out in my mind?:   
   >>>   
   >>>'Wow! They have captured live aliens!!! How can I learn about that?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>You don't want to learn about that, you just want to follow mainstream   
   >>authorities.   
   >   
   >One thing all of you kooks have in common is a total lack of ability   
   >to detect irony. You're too full of yourselves.   
   >>   
      
   Yes I know you're being ironic!   
      
   Your irony is inappropriate and immature.   
      
      
   >>>   
   >>>Right, I better ask Andrew. He knows soooo much about these topics.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>You wouldn't know who knows things/truths. You're obviously unable to   
   >>determine that. You just picked the easy, convenient and satisfying side   
   >>and   
   >>stuck with it.   
   >   
   >So, when you claim to know the truths about the aliens, their origin,   
   >their goals, with whom they cooperate, etc, I shouldn't trust you?   
   >   
      
   You should trust no one. Everyone has to check out the truth for themselves.   
   It's you who seems to trust the public talking heads that ridicule   
   everything outside the narrative. Have you ever questioned why they ridicule   
   this stuff? Clue: It's a program of cover ups. Your discernments skills are   
   shocking. You always bark up the wrong tree.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>   
   >>>Hey Andrew, can you refer me to a few of your superior sources,   
   >>>(because [snicker] I'm too lazy to look for it myself)?'   
   >>>   
   >>>You know exactly why I ask you for the evidence that has convinced   
   >>>you. (No, not the one single piece of evidence, and no, not all the   
   >>>evidence you have seen over the decades.)   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Yes I know why you ask for my evidence and do zero proper research of your   
   >>own (like normal people). ...   
   >   
   >What's there to "research", when no evidence is ever provided?   
   >   
      
   You've never looked for any. There's plenty over decades.   
      
      
   >   
   >A tall   
   >tale of having been abducted and probed, over and over and over again,   
   >is not evidence of said probing. Tall tales and hearsay is not   
   >evidence, but that is all you have.   
   >   
      
   "Tall tales" says you've already made up your mind without research. That's   
   dumb.   
      
   And are the lies and spin from media and government somehow better than   
   hearsay from people who have actually experienced and researched this   
      
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