XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.atheism, uk.rec.ufo   
   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/6/2025 1:34 AM, JTEM wrote:   
   >   
   > According to physics, time travel is NOT ruled out   
   > completely.   
   >   
   > We do not know how to travel through time. The means may   
   > actually be entirely theoretical. In fact, right now they   
   > ARE entirely theoretical. For us. But...   
   >   
   > This is not at all similar to the case of Faster Than Light   
   > travel.   
   >   
   > Our physics rule it out.   
   >   
   > It's not possible, traveling faster than the speed of light,   
   > according to everything we know. Which means we are in this   
   > ridiculous position of arguing magic, or we rule out Faster   
   > Than Light travel.   
   >   
   > So, why would an alien race invest insane amounts of capital   
   > into coming here, if one presumes it's beyond a dumb probe,   
   > if there is literally zero hope of any return?   
   >   
   > Think about it.   
   >   
   > At the speed of light, AT LEAST 99% of our galaxy is more   
   > than a thousand years away. So if they could get here at the   
   > speed of light, their first return signal would be reaching   
   > them back home after 2,000 years, by which time there would   
   > be no guarantee that anyone would even be aware that there   
   > is a signal, much less how to read it.   
   >   
   > Of course, grasping this model, 75% of our galaxy would be   
   > AT LEAST 25,000 light years away....   
   >   
   > So one you understand that Faster Than Light travel is   
   > impossible -- not a mystery, the question has been solved   
   > and it's impossible -- sending anything here is either some   
   > cheap Voyager type probe or...   
   >   
   > The only reason to come here beyond some dumb probe is...   
   >   
   > The only thing that could make it word their while...   
   >   
   > The only way they might expect a return on their investment   
   > is...   
   >   
   > Is if it's a Seek-and-Destroy mission.   
   >   
   > That's it.   
   >   
   > The investment to get here would be so large, and there   
   > would be so much time between launching and receiving so   
   > much as data in return that the people sending it couldn't   
   > even count on having descendants, much less seeing a return   
   > on their investment. UNLESS it was a Seek-and-Destroy mission.   
   >   
   > To help you understand this:   
   >   
   > There is no family on earth that can reliably trace it's   
   > heritage back even 2,000 years.   
   >   
   > Oh there's claims but no records to back up those claims.   
   > If you don't believe in a literally true Old Testament bible,   
   > for instance, you can cross one of those families right off   
   > the list. And if you scratch out Japanese mythology, there   
   > goes another... on & on.   
   >   
   > Like I said, there are families that claim to trace their   
   > lineage back 2,000 years or more, but they are on less solid   
   > footage than Elizabeth Warren's native roots...   
   >   
   > WHOLE ETHNICITY have vanished in the last few thousand years.   
   >   
   > When was the last time you met a Vandal or a Goth? They were   
   > real people. They were a genuine ethnicity, they were an   
   > identity just as real as "Mexican" or "Italian" is today.   
   >   
   > "Ancient Egypt lasted 3 thousand years!"   
   >   
   > No it didn't. It collapsed three times BEFORE the 1st century   
   > A.D.   
   >   
   > Money itself only goes back about 2,600 years. There was   
   > trade, gold was valuable and highly sought after, all   
   > true, but money wasn't around until about 600 B.C.   
   >   
   > The time scales we are talking about here, moving across   
   > even a small percentage of the galaxy, are off the human   
   > charts...   
   >   
   > But, if your objective is to destroy other civilizations,   
   > you have an excellent chance at a return on your investment.   
   >   
   > See, even if your civilization collapses, even if you nation   
   > state, your ethnicity, your language and religion -- your   
   > identity -- is long gone, your planet still benefits if any   
   > potential threat is wiped out.   
   >   
   > That's what we're talking about here:  Eliminating threats.   
   >   
   > Another civilization is a potential threat to your   
   > civilization, so wipe it out.   
   >   
   > No more threat.   
   >   
   > And if you get there and wipe them out BEFORE they achieve   
   > interstellar travel?  So much the better!   
   >   
   > The only "Problem" is if you wipe them out too late. You   
   > can wipe them out as early as is convenient.   
   >   
   > So, if you're an alien race and you haven't mistaken Star   
   > Trek for a documentary, you know that arriving here would   
   > require a massive investment, one that you could not   
   > possibly ever see a return on. Unless you kill us. Then if   
   > your species still exists, even if it collapsed itself back   
   > into a stone age, it still benefits. You still reap the   
   > reward:  SAFE from the threat of an alien species!   
   >   
      
   Aliens are here, and they are controlling your mind.   
      
   Dawn   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)