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   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/2/2025 10:18 AM, Andrew wrote:   
   > "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message   
   > news:XnsB34E51EEE839A629555@69.80.101.19...   
   >> "Andrew" wrote:   
   >>> "I will lay it on the line - there is not one such fossil for which   
   >>> one could make a watertight argument. The reason is that statements   
   >>> about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record.   
   >>> Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no   
   >>> there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make   
   >>> up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons   
   >>> why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such   
   >>> stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to   
   >>>  the test."              ~ Dr. Colin Patterson,   
   paleontologist   
   >>>   
   >>> "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record   
   >>> persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees   
   >>> that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of   
   >>> their branches; the rest is inference..not the evidence of   
   >>> fossils."               ~ Stephen J. Gould, paleontologist   
   >>>   
   >>> "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and   
   >>> paleontology does not provide them. The gaps must therefore be a   
   >>> contingent feature of the record."   
   >>>             ~ David B. Kitts, Ph.D, zoologist, paleontologist   
   >>   
   >> Many species now going extinct may vanish without a fossil trace   
   >> March 21, 2016   
   >>   
   >> The researchers were shocked to find that more than 85 percent of the   
   >> mammal species at high risk of extinction lack a fossil record.   
   >> Viewed from the perspective of the fossil record alone, the magnitude   
   >> of the current mammal die-off thus appears markedly reduced. The   
   >> picture may be even more distorted for other land-dwelling   
   >> vertebrates: only 3 percent of today's threatened bird species and 1.6   
   >> percent of threatened reptile species have a known fossil record.   
   >> https://today.uic.edu/many-species-now-going-extinct-may-vanish-without-   
   >> a-fossil-trace/   
   >>   
   >>    If a species never gets fossilized can you claim it never existed?   
   >   
   > No, but neither could one claim that they did. And that does not negate   
   > the fact that there is no empirical evidence of transitional forms   
   > ever existing.   
   >   
   > Bottom line, you have been deceived. Which   
   > would not have happened if you had not been   
   > so gullible.   
   >   
   >   
      
   Andrew,   
      
   Here are two neat little books; I've posted about these here before, but   
   you'll never read either:   
      
   https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/1886/science-and-creat   
   onism-a-view-from-the-national-academy-of   
      
   with an updated version:   
      
   https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/6024/science-and-creat   
   onism-a-view-from-the-national-academy-of   
      
   They are both free, of course, but I doubt that you will click either link.   
      
   Dawn   
      
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