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   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 9/8/2025 1:40 PM, jojo wrote:   
   > Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >> On 9/7/2025 11:50 AM, jojo wrote:   
   >>> Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/6/2025 2:17 PM, Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:109hoef$350ek$3@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> "Kenito Benito" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "Kenito Benito" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRIOR TO DARWIN, THE DOMINANT VIEW AMONG SCHOLARS WAS   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CREATIONISM!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get it now?! Yes, Darwin got some things wrong! Here's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin's BIG contribution:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATURALISM REPLACED SUPERNATURALISM AS THE EXPLANATION   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR LIFE!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you need me to make things clearer for you??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dawn, but you see, Without a Creation there would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be no naturalism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Unrefuted fact, again pointing to Creation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, conviction often came to him (Darwin) that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was devoting his life to a phantasy. He said that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often a "cold shudder" would run trough his body   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testifying to that fact.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Often and often a cold shudder has run through me, and I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have asked myself whether I may not have devoted my life   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a phantasy." ~Darwin   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't start! Okay??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do folks like you get nervous like this? Because you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> have been exposed to truth that exposes your position to be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible. And that you stand on a platform that is false.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn is a creationist? I'm surprised.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> No.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> But above you claim Dawn's position is indefensible.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> As such, you are making the claim she is.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Her position is.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> >>> P.S. If you want to explore Creationism (again!), then   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> start another thread in a.a.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is _YOUR_ above that I am responding to!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw you were talking about naturalism and creationism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm simply pointing out to you the simple fact that, with-   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> out a creation there could not possibly be any 'naturalism'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything exists. How it got to this point is the question.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Where did it start? Do you ever connsider that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The "Big Bang" is where everything started.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You apparently believe that. That the origin of all   
   >>>>>>>>> things is explained by the fantasized explosion of   
   >>>>>>>>> a primordial cosmic egg that came from nothing.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Although blatantly contrary to the laws of science,   
   >>>>>>>>> nevertheless you believe~ by faith. Yet you still fail to   
   >>>>>>>>> understand how foolish your position is.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Andrew,   
   >>>>>>>> We've posted about this so many times:   
   >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You can find these sorts of ideas in The Physical Review   
   >>>>>>>> Letters; just Google it. Per the physicists, no Conservation   
   >>>>>>>> Laws need be violated!!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Hypothesized models may sound plausible,.but they exist only in   
   >>>>>>> the realm of fantasy. Those who want the truth will not abandon   
   >>>>>>> the established laws of science.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You've never read these papers, Andrew, and you never will. (I've   
   >>>>>> read a couple of them.)  I've invited you to email the American   
   >>>>>> Physical Society (the publishers of The Physical Review Letters)   
   >>>>>> with your concerns, criticisms, etc., and you've never done that   
   >>>>>> and you never will.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Although this is a discussion group, Dawn finds that she is unable.   
   >>>>> Therefore she refers us to the high priests of her religion. But the   
   >>>>> problem is, it is a false religion.   
   >>>>> Although she cannot explain it, she is a *believer* by faith. And   
   >>>>> says that if we have any questions to --> "go to them"; and don't   
   >>>>> ask her, because it is ~ over her head!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yep, physics & math are hard subjects, that is true.  Unless you   
   >>>> know (without looking it up!) what a "metric" is, and in particular,   
   >>>> the FLRW metric, you know nothing about cosmology, and you really do   
   >>>> need to stop pontificating.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Dawn   
   >>>>   
   >>>> P.S.  I know what both of those things from above are, but yet, I am   
   >>>> not a cosmologist.  (Although, I do know a fair bit of cosmetology!)   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> dawn do you have a physics or math degree? i wanted to do something   
   >>> in science mostly.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Neither.  If you want a science degree, I would go to a community   
   >> college to get through your introductory courses, and then transfer to   
   >> a 4-year program.  Just keep studying, and if you do decent on your   
   >> GREs and graduate testing, you'll get into a good PhD program.  Just   
   >> cast your net wide and be prepared to travel and/or relocate!   
   >>   
   >> Dawn   
   >   
   > you did all the math work by yourself? lot of stuff to cover. my problem   
   > is consistency.. of interest and effort.   
   >   
      
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