XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   (Message-ID: <10a1n56$3nfq0$1@dont-email.me>):   
      
   > On 9/12/2025 11:43 AM, jojo wrote:   
   > > None wrote:   
   > > > On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > (Message-ID: <10a1e6t$3jm3q$2@dont-email.me>):   
   > > >   
   > > > > On 9/12/2025 7:45 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   > > > > > None   wrote in news:10a081v$366mu$1@dont-email.me:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID: ):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > None   wrote in news:109vbc8$2tbin$   
   @dont-email.me:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (Message-ID: ):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > "Andrew"  wrote in   
   > > > > > > > > > news:rKAwQ.12261$7F4e.8283@fx05.ams4:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > "Dawn Flood" wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > > news:109tfa4$29gbi$1@dont-email.me...   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > To sum-up, paleoanthropology is a valid science, because,   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Major universities exist which offer doctoral degrees   
   in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > paleoanthropology.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The US National Academy of Sciences has admitted   
   > > > > > > > > > > > paleoanthropologists to its ranks.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Peer-reviewed research journals exist for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > paleoanthropology.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Few, if any, scientists dispute the fact that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > paleoanthropology is a valid science.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > In spite of all that you say above, it is noted that   
   > > > > > > > > > > you are at a complete loss of words when I ask   
   > > > > > > > > > > you to tell us about any specific paleo-anthropological   
   > > > > > > > > > > discovery that shows that they have enlightened   
   > > > > > > > > > > us about ~anything~...in your own words.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > And you are a "complete loss of words"   
   > > > > > > > > > to tell us the age of the earth, or even   
   > > > > > > > > > us your opinion of it.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > The earth as you know it was not until it was called earth on   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > 3rd day of this realm. The planets stars, etc were not until   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > 4th day of this realm. All this occurred around 6,000 years   
   ago. In   
   > > > > > > > > literal time, not figurative nor theoretical.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Why 6,000?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > How do you determine that date?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > What date? I mentioned time approximate.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > OK, "time approximate"   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Why 6000 years?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What happened then?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > And are their so called ""discoveries"" built upon   
   > > > > > > > > > > scientific method, or are they built upon fantasy?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Those who want the truth do not accept stories that   
   > > > > > > > > > > are built upon fantasy.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Modern Christian: Someone who believes   
   > > > > > > > > > in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and   
   > > > > > > > > > transmutation (all mentioned in the Bible)   
   > > > > > > > > > but accuses those citing scientific data   
   > > > > > > > > > of "indulging in fantasies".   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Then I do not fit your daffynition.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Scientific data only recounts what is reversed engineered, and   
   from   
   > > > > > > > > that understanding, some try to create variations based on the   
   same   
   > > > > > > > > things that always existed in the time of man, reshape, and   
   reuse,   
   > > > > > > > > and most generally it all contaminates the earth and its   
   > > > > > > > > environment.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > What other data is there to   
   > > > > > > > measure time but scientific data?   
   > > > > > > > The universe expands at a known   
   > > > > > > > rate, the continents move at a   
   > > > > > > > known rate, starlight reaches our   
   > > > > > > > eyes at a known rate. If those   
   > > > > > > > known rates are wrong what rates   
   > > > > > > > are right?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > If the continents moved at a known rate then there would be no   
   > > > > > > earthquakes. All volcanos would erupt and known cycles and   
   explosive   
   > > > > > > rates.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > If such massive errors are made then what credibility does the   
   rest of   
   > > > > > > your statement have.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Science has recently recognized another light form, one that was   
   > > > > > > spoken of near 5,000 years ago + or - and they have yet to   
   determine   
   > > > > > > its parameters.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Oh, the memories of my fundamentalist Christian childhood! Of course,   
   > > > > my childhood occurred back in the 1980s, which, someday, may become   
   > > > > known as the end of the "Information Dark Ages".   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Dawn   
   > > >   
   > > > Or more likely the beginning of the end of this age.   
   > >   
   > > you mean zombie jesus?   
   >   
   > LOL!   
   >   
   > Yeah, Jesus' "imminent return" has been predicted for quite some time now!   
   >   
   > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming   
   >   
   > Given the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the fact that Jesus' remains   
   > are in a highly advanced state of decomposition, I think that his   
   > "return" is quite unlikely!!   
   >   
   > Dawn   
      
   I noticed the doubt in your statement and that is a good thing.   
   Doubting Thomas similar thoughts,...   
      
   Jhn 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them   
   when Jesus came.   
      
   Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord.   
   But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the   
   nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into   
   his side, I will not believe.   
      
   Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas   
   with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and   
   said,Peace beunto you.   
      
   Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my   
   hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust itinto my side: and be not   
   faithless, but believing.   
      
   Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.   
      
   Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast   
   believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.   
      
      
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