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   Dawn Flood wrote:   
   > On 9/13/2025 2:09 PM, jojo wrote:   
   >> jojo wrote:   
   >>> Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/12/2025 11:34 PM, jojo wrote:   
   >>>>> None wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote   
   >>>>>> (Message-ID:<7eda1708-   
   >>>>>> e6d3-9729-9571-07b6d26f6447@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> None wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2025, jojo wrote   
   >>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<06a0238b-feb9-9555-   
   >>>>>>>> dd59-2b9bffd6e3a0@shinku.aoyagi.konjou>):   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2025 11:43 AM, jojo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> None wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10a1e6t$3jm3q$2@dont-email.me>):   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2025 7:45 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None   wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:10a081v$366mu$1@dont-email.me:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: ):   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None   wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:109vbc8$2tbin$1@dont-email.me:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ):   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:rKAwQ.12261$7F4e.8283@fx05.ams4:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:109tfa4$29gbi$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To sum-up, paleoanthropology is a valid   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, because,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Major universities exist which offer doctoral   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrees in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The US National Academy of Sciences has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropologists to its ranks.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Peer-reviewed research journals exist for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Few, if any, scientists dispute the fact that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleoanthropology is a valid science.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In spite of all that you say above, it is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are at a complete loss of words when I ask   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to tell us about any specific   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paleo-anthropological   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery that shows that they have enlightened   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us about ~anything~...in your own words.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you are a "complete loss of words"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell us the age of the earth, or even   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us your opinion of it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The earth as you know it was not until it was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd day of this realm. The planets stars, etc   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4th day of this realm. All this occurred around   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6,000   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years ago. In   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literal time, not figurative nor theoretical.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why 6,000?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you determine that date?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What date? I mentioned time approximate.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, "time approximate"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why 6000 years?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened then?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And are their so called ""discoveries"" built   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific method, or are they built upon   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantasy?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who want the truth do not accept stories   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are built upon fantasy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern Christian: Someone who believes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transmutation (all mentioned in the Bible)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but accuses those citing scientific data   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "indulging in fantasies".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I do not fit your daffynition.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientific data only recounts what is reversed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineered, and from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that understanding, some try to create   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variations based   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the same   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things that always existed in the time of man,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reshape,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and reuse,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most generally it all contaminates the earth   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and its   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other data is there to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure time but scientific data?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The universe expands at a known   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate, the continents move at a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known rate, starlight reaches our   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes at a known rate. If those   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known rates are wrong what rates   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are right?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the continents moved at a known rate then there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be no   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earthquakes. All volcanos would erupt and known   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycles and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explosive   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If such massive errors are made then what   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credibility does   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your statement have.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science has recently recognized another light   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form, one   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoken of near 5,000 years ago + or - and they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have yet to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determine   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its parameters.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, the memories of my fundamentalist Christian   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> childhood! Of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> course,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> my childhood occurred back in the 1980s, which,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> someday, may   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> become   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> known as the end of the "Information Dark Ages".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Or more likely the beginning of the end of this age.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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