XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.atheism, alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:<9vvdckl6seuugadm48cnb231coq1kc09ql@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 09:09:13 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 14, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 21:23:52 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID:<8ebcck1pfpb7it0366gpp9d1csauc7ciih@4ax.com>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 19:02:27 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 17:01:55 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 14:06:02 -0700, None    
   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10a4c55$jrvu$4@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/13/2025 12:26 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2025, Mitchell Holman wrote   
   > > > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where was this "spoken of" 5000 years ago?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Historically both answers are written in the Bible.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not waste too much of your time on this stuff.   
   Life is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > far   
   > > > > > > > > > > > too short!   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > This ’stuff’ ? If you are speaking of the things of God   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I think she was saying that they're not things of God to   
   begin with.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > then this short   
   > > > > > > > > > > time we have is extremely vital to our eternal futures.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Christians throughout the ages have believed that they lived   
   in the   
   > > > > > > > > > end times -- from Paul who clearly believed he would be   
   alive and   
   > > > > > > > > > waiting for Jesus when the world came to an end, to   
   Christians who   
   > > > > > > > > > believed that 1000 CE portended an end of the world, to the   
   > > > > > > > > > Millerites   
   > > > > > > > > > of the 19th century Great Disappointment who calculated that   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > > world   
   > > > > > > > > > would end in October 1844 -- so perhaps you shouldn't be so   
   sure that   
   > > > > > > > > > "time is short.”   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > We were told to be constantly vigilant and live our lives   
   expected the   
   > > > > > > > > suddenly of suddenlies. After all who wants to be caught short   
   like   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > 5   
   > > > > > > > > virgins left behind.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Well, couldn't they get a second chance?!   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > If they make it through the initial WWW alive, yes, but from what   
   I Read   
   > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > they must not recant. For many will be beheaded after torture.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > And God can't overcome that?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Would you rather operate like a robot without free will. Or should it   
   only   
   > > > > be   
   > > > > the freedom of choice for some people but not all?   
   > > >   
   > > > So in the parable of the 10 virgins, the virgins who were "caught   
   > > > short" didn't *want* to go into the wedding feast?   
   >   
   > > Oh they wanted to alright, but they were too entangled with the affairs of   
   > > this world to be ready.   
   > > When they realized that their relationship with the bridegroom had gone   
   cold   
   > > and after asking the others to give them what they needed to enter be   
   ready,   
   > > the bridegroom had already come and swept the others away. When the   
   > > indifferent ones found out, they came banging on the doors to let them in   
   > > but   
   > > the bridegroom said to them, leave, I never knew you.   
   >   
   > So why couldn't they get a second chance when they were banging on the   
   > door? Why couldn't they get a chance to know the bridegroom even   
   > after they'd screwed up the first time around?   
      
   They had advance warnings and were indifferent about it. More focused in   
   self, than in God   
   >   
   >   
   > > You see, the weddings of the Jewish culture was after the couple was   
   > > ‘engaged’ the bride was to get ready for marriage, and during the   
   > > following year the bridegroom could come at any time and snatch her away,   
   > > she   
   > > was notified in a very short time by his best friends who would blow their   
   > > horns announcing he was coming, on his way, and then he would suddenly come   
   > > and snatch her away, to the place or room that he had built for them at his   
   > > fathers house, and there they would dwell for a year, for their honeymoon.   
   > > Neither worked, for that first year was all their time to know each other..   
   > > that is what Jesus has done for his bride as well. The wedding feast was   
   > > enjoyed by both families for up to a month as they partied and celebrated   
   > > the   
   > > marriage.   
   >   
   > Where did you get that from?   
      
   Studies on marriage in the Bible.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > In those days, God pulls out that which holders back evil for those   
   seven   
   > > > > years. But these things you would never understand as you do not know   
   who   
   > > > > God is.   
   > > >   
   > > > Cite?   
   > >   
   > > “For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now   
   > > restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.” (2Th 2:7)   
   >   
   > I was really referring to the "seven years" reference. Where did that   
   > come from? And why would God try force people to believe a lie, as   
   > found elsewhere in 2 Thessalonians?   
      
   This is in reference to that.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > There is so much answers that God holds in his hand, but how are those   
   > > > > that oppose him going to hear? They can’t, they are not willing and   
   so   
   > > > > they have not the ears to hear.   
   > > >   
   > > > Why do you believe that?   
   > >   
   > > That is made most obvious by the atheist, but the same thing is occurring   
   > > with those that believe there is a God, but they are more interested in the   
   > > affairs of this world that they have no time for God, and or they don’t   
   > > want him messing with the sins they enjoy. Some are bitter towards him   
   > > because he didn’t jump to their commands or demands.   
   >   
   > Any examples of this?   
      
   Sure, this thread, as well as the attitudes of all atheists.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > Yet Jesus gave us the signs, and when they are all   
   > > > > > > > > happening at the same time, with an increasing ferocity and the   
      
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