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   >> > > > > > > When did that supposedly happen?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > They were mentioned as you were arguing about them.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > As I was arguing about them? You said it had happened *before* that!   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Your arguing has been the same for decades. All during that time you   
   were   
   >> > > > shown things you totally dismissed, at least publicly.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Any examples? And note that "it was in this thread" or some other   
   >> > > broad generalization won't be sufficient.   
   >> >   
   >> > Has this thread gone on for decades?   
   >>   
   >> Who claimed that?   
   >>   
   >> > Has your argument changed?   
   >>   
   >> What argument are you talking about?   
   >>   
   >> > > > > > > > Aren’t you diametrically opposed to the Bible, what it is   
   >> > > > > > > > and what it stands for. the Bible is for understanding, not a   
   point of   
   >> > > > > > > > argument.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > I'm opposed to people not properly understanding the Bible,   
   which is   
   >> > > > > > > true about most Christians.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Interesting, and why would you declare such a thing?   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Most Christians don't understand the   
   >> > > > > Bible properly -- that's what I'm opposed to. An example would be   
   >> > > > > Jesus predicting that his generation would see his return after his   
   >> > > > > death -- Christians twist that to mean it wasn't the *generation*   
   that   
   >> > > > > would see it, but [t]he Jewish *race* that would see it.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > It was spoken to the Jews at that time, and about the definition in   
   use at   
   >> > > > that time.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Christians bend over backward to get the definition they want to use.   
   >> >   
   >> > Some so-called christians do that, even the prideful ones. And the lazy   
   ones   
   >> > us AI,   
   >>   
   >> So you agree that Jesus thought he would return during the lifetime of   
   >> his listeners?   
   >>   
   >> > When they do so they are not listening to God, don’t care about what He   
   >> > thinks., and a variety of other reasons.   
   >> >   
   >> > > > Those who cared to know would find out and learn. Of course, a   
   believer   
   >> > > > could   
   >> > > > just ask God and the spirit of God would lead them to the truth so   
   that   
   >> > > > they   
   >> > > > might see and understand.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What does that have to do with Jesus predicting his return within the   
   >> > > lifetime of his followers?   
   >> >   
   >> > So mankind would know the time period. A last call understanding. The big   
   >> > one   
   >> > that ties into that is the prophecy of Joel that Peter announced at the   
   >> > beginning.   
   >>   
   >> That time period provided for "mankind" was clearly wrong, though.   
   >> What prophets have arisen in what you believe to be the last days?   
   >>   
   >> > > > > See how that does violence to Scripture, in the name of conservative   
   >> > > > > exegesis?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Speak in plain English please.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > "Violence to Scripture" just means interpreting it in a way that's at   
   >> > > odds with its plain meaning, usually for some kind of personal gain.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > "Conservative" just means you favor traditional interpretations of the   
   >> > > Bible over more modern and often secular interpretations of it.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > "Exegesis" just means the process of interpreting and analyzing the   
   >> > > Bible to better understand what it's saying.   
   >> >   
   >> > That is the word I was asking about.   
   >>   
   >> So it was the word "exegesis" that you didn't know.   
   >>   
   >> > It is the not what Jesus spoke about and is most typically the way of   
   carnal   
   >> > men.   
   >> > It is also the way of atheist theologians.   
   >>   
   >> As long as they think clearly, they're doing well, and their   
   >> description ("atheist theologians") is not an oxymoron.   
   >>   
   >> > God speaks to the heart of man As Jesus promised for those that believe in   
   >> > Him and walk according to his ways.   
   >>   
   >> What would limit him to "the heart"?   
   >>   
   >> > He also calls to those that are lost, those that seek eternal life.   
   >>   
   >> Why couldn't he call those who don't seek eternal life?   
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