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   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   >   wrote:   
   >   
   > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   > > > Andrew wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for Him to   
   > > > > be crucified.   
   > > >   
   > > > I don't believe it.   
   > > >   
   > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated   
   > > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > >   
   > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..   
   >   
   > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church, so   
   > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they made   
   > up their stories about Jesus.   
      
   In whose mind? Yours?   
      
   The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the beginning.   
      
   The priests were the ones who stirred up the population against Jesus. Not   
   all, as there were some who were followers of Jesus secretly. The High Priest   
   of Israel at the time of the birth of Jesus believed that the Messiah was   
   coming, were looking for him, and even recognized Jesus as the Messiah when   
   he was presented to them soon after his birth, and they rejoiced. John the   
   Baptist Was a cousin of his, who grew up not knowing Jesus personally.   
      
   You also learned these things when you were young, So what’s with these   
   lies?   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > Look at the "Jewish" rebellions -- plural -- if you want to know   
   > > > why the Romans would want to do that.   
   > >   
   > > That's for sure. The Romans slaughtered them big time in 70 AD.   
      
   The Jews, just like other nations, did not like the Romans ruling them.   
   They knew the land was theirs, granted to them by God. While they followed   
   the religion of Judaism, many did not actually follow God but only gave him   
   lip service. Just like so many ‘christians’ do today.   
   One of the things that the Romans did was to allow the peoples who they   
   conquered to follow their respective religions/gods within limitations. In   
   that manner they allowed the High Priests position of Judaism, however, they   
   changed the position to one that required a new High Priest every year. Some   
   were believers in God others used it as a position of authority and power   
   over the people. The High priests worked with the roman government within   
   their rules for the most part and the High Priests were given a squadron of   
   soldiers to use as they deemed necessary to keep the people in line under   
   mosaic laws, and other purposes within the confines of Roman law. Yet many of   
   the Jews sought their freedom and were rebellious, for good reasons, but were   
   not strong enough to fight the empire successfully.   
      
   Death penalties were under the purview of the Romans. There was a custom for   
   that worked out with the Jews whereby a person could be set free, that they   
   all abided by, and this was done to keep the lid on the Jews yet with a vent.   
      
   The Jews, as taught by the prophets of God, in the days of old taught of the   
   messiah that was to come. Yet many were focused solely on the promise that   
   God, through the Messiah would set up Israel as their ruler, and as such, he   
   would rule over all the nations of the world, with power and authority. Thus   
   they would be sitting in a prestigious place, and for that they were looking.   
      
   Even his disciples questioned him about that, so deeply was it engrained into   
   their culture. But the Jews did not recognize officially that he was to be   
   killed first as a sacrifice for their sins. That he would also have followers   
   who were not jews. Even though that was written about in many books in the   
   OT. They were just looking or focused on the ending that would set them up as   
   a ruling nation.   
      
   As such today many christians reflect the attitudes and thoughts of those Jew   
   in that day. And like them they religiously follow the teachings of Jesus   
   Christ, but not with their hearts, only with their minds. So just like them   
   they see, but do not see.   
      
   There will be and it is already present, a persecution of Believers in Jesus,   
   by religious peoples. Part of the participants against them will be and   
   quietly is already happening by the so-called ‘christians’ who despise   
   those people in whom the Spirit of the Almighty God resides.Especially those   
   through whom the gifts of Gods Spirit operates. In coming days that will   
   greatly intensify, as predicted in the Bible as well.   
      
   I am stopping at this point as this is most likely more than many can bear at   
   this time. I will keep the door open for a while, since you all keep posting   
   in the ‘christian’ NG’s but solely for purposes of open discussion and   
   not for character assassinations.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)