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   XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: sam@spade.invalid   
      
   Vincent Maycock  wrote:   
   > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > >On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > >(Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   > >>   wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >> > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   > >> > > Andrew wrote:   
   > >> > >   
   > >> > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for   
   Him to   
   > >> > > > be crucified.   
   > >> > >   
   > >> > > I don't believe it.   
   > >> > >   
   > >> > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated   
   > >> > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > >> >   
   > >> > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..   
   > >>   
   > >> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church, so   
   > >> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they made   
   > >> up their stories about Jesus.   
   > >   
   > >In whose mind? Yours?   
   > >   
   > >The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the beginning.   
   >   
   > But then they branched off,  theologically, leaving an emotional rift   
   > between Jews and Messianic Jews.  Refusal  to follow Jesus as the   
   > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.   
   >   
   > So they vilified the non-Messianic Jews (referred to as simply "the   
   > Jews"), blaming them for Jesus' death and attacking Jewish sects like   
   > the Pharisees as they wrote the Gospels.   
   >   
   > >The priests were the ones who stirred up the population against Jesus. Not   
   > >all, as there were some who were followers of Jesus secretly. The High   
   Priest   
   > >of Israel at the time of the birth of Jesus believed that the Messiah was   
   > >coming, were looking for him, and even recognized Jesus as the Messiah when   
   > >he was presented to them soon after his birth, and they rejoiced. John the   
   > >Baptist Was a cousin of his, who grew up not knowing Jesus personally.   
   >   
   > No, crucifixion is a quintessentially Roman mode of execution.  It   
   > wasn't the Jews who stirred up the population against Jesus, but the   
   > Roman authorities.  Jesus' claim to be the Messiah was politically   
   > dangerous enough for the Romans to look into the situation, found that   
   > he was indeed guilty of sedition, and executed him for that reason.   
   >   
   > >You also learned these things when you were young, So what’s with these   
   > >lies?   
   >   
   > Look, liar, you know it's stupid to place too much historical weight   
   > on the legends and stories in the gospels, and yet you continue to do   
   > it.  Why is that?   
      
      
   Robert has never come to accept that most people do not accept the Bible   
   as literally true, or even as generally true.  He equates contradiction   
   of the Bible with lying because he has never known better.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)