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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   > > >   wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   > > > > > Andrew wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically for   
   Him to   
   > > > > > > be crucified.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I don't believe it.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated   
   > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..   
   > > >   
   > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church, so   
   > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they made   
   > > > up their stories about Jesus.   
   > >   
   > > In whose mind? Yours?   
   > >   
   > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the beginning.   
   >   
   > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional rift   
   > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the   
   > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.   
      
   Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false   
   understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate on who God   
   is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full wisdom and   
   knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for that reason   
   many denominations err and there is separation and not a common bond.   
   >   
   > So they vilified the non-Messianic Jews (referred to as simply "the   
   > Jews"), blaming them for Jesus' death and attacking Jewish sects like   
   > the Pharisees as they wrote the Gospels.   
      
   That, my friend, is misleading and without understanding. They were to be   
   blamed for the Death of Christ, and they knew it at the time.   
      
   Mat 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, butthat rather a   
   tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude,   
   saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.   
      
   Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His bloodbe on us, and on   
   our children.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > The priests were the ones who stirred up the population against Jesus. Not   
   > > all, as there were some who were followers of Jesus secretly. The High   
   Priest   
   > > of Israel at the time of the birth of Jesus believed that the Messiah was   
   > > coming, were looking for him, and even recognized Jesus as the Messiah when   
   > > he was presented to them soon after his birth, and they rejoiced. John the   
   > > Baptist Was a cousin of his, who grew up not knowing Jesus personally.   
   >   
   > No, crucifixion is a quintessentially Roman mode of execution. It   
   > wasn't the Jews who stirred up the population against Jesus, but the   
   > Roman authorities. Jesus' claim to be the Messiah was politically   
   > dangerous enough for the Romans to look into the situation, found that   
   > he was indeed guilty of sedition, and executed him for that reason.   
      
   Mat 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the   
   people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:   
      
   Mat 27:2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to   
   Pontius Pilate the governor.   
      
   If you were to go to the source, like here and the scriptures surrounding it,   
   you would see a far different picture.   
      
   Scripture also speaks from the perspective of the Romans who found no fault   
   in him. No sedition, nothing. Also verified from Roman history which many try   
   to discredit so as to destroy the truth for an anti-Jesus narrative.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > You also learned these things when you were young, So what’s with these   
   > > lies?   
   >   
   > Look, liar, you know it's stupid to place too much historical weight   
   > on the legends and stories in the gospels, and yet you continue to do   
   > it. Why is that?   
      
   Liar? What did I lie about?   
   I have also mentioned here, many, many times that I have personal knowledge   
   and understandings of God, even if they are limited greatly due to the fact   
   that I have had a personal experiential relationship with Him and thereby   
   know the reality of who He is, and that HE exists. Which you very well know   
   and choose to mock on a personal basis, so as to excuse your choice to   
   disbelieve and follow the lead of your god, Lucifer. Even though you do not   
   know him, yet the thoughts he implants in your head and deceives you with,   
   you chose to speak.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > Look at the "Jewish" rebellions -- plural -- if you want to know   
   > > > > > why the Romans would want to do that.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > That's for sure. The Romans slaughtered them big time in 70 AD.   
   > >   
   > > The Jews, just like other nations, did not like the Romans ruling them.   
   > > They knew the land was theirs, granted to them by God. While they followed   
   > > the religion of Judaism, many did not actually follow God but only gave him   
   > > lip service. Just like so many ‘christians’ do today.   
   > > One of the things that the Romans did was to allow the peoples who they   
   > > conquered to follow their respective religions/gods within limitations. In   
   > > that manner they allowed the High Priests position of Judaism, however,   
   they   
   > > changed the position to one that required a new High Priest every year.   
   Some   
   > > were believers in God others used it as a position of authority and power   
   > > over the people. The High priests worked with the roman government within   
   > > their rules for the most part and the High Priests were given a squadron of   
   > > soldiers to use as they deemed necessary to keep the people in line under   
   > > mosaic laws, and other purposes within the confines of Roman law. Yet many   
   > > of   
   > > the Jews sought their freedom and were rebellious, for good reasons, but   
   > > were   
   > > not strong enough to fight the empire successfully.   
   > >   
   > > Death penalties were under the purview of the Romans. There was a custom   
   for   
   > > that worked out with the Jews whereby a person could be set free, that they   
   > > all abided by, and this was done to keep the lid on the Jews yet with a   
   > > vent.   
   > >   
   > > The Jews, as taught by the prophets of God, in the days of old taught of   
   the   
   > > messiah that was to come. Yet many were focused solely on the promise that   
   > > God, through the Messiah would set up Israel as their ruler, and as such,   
   he   
   > > would rule over all the nations of the world, with power and authority.   
   Thus   
   > > they would be sitting in a prestigious place, and for that they were   
   > > looking.   
   > >   
      
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