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   and killed every child and baby under the age of 2 for miles around for fear   
   he would lose his rulership. And went down in history noted for that deed.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > You also learned these things when you were young, So what’s with   
   these   
   > > > > lies?   
   > > >   
   > > > Look, liar, you know it's stupid to place too much historical weight   
   > > > on the legends and stories in the gospels, and yet you continue to do   
   > > > it. Why is that?   
   > >   
   > > Liar? What did I lie about?   
   >   
   > You lied by acting as if other people accept the Bible as being   
   > authoritative, which isn't true, as you must surely know by now.   
      
   I know, as well as you, that many people believe that whether they be   
   Christian or not.   
   And that does not make me a liar. I also know that you, just like the well   
   known atheists leaders, who were given enough time to die on a deathbed   
   realized their mistake yet most felt they fully deserved the end result as   
   described in the Bible and few very few humbled themselves before God and   
   sought His Mercy.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > I have also mentioned here, many, many times that I have personal knowledge   
   > > and understandings of God, even if they are limited greatly due to the fact   
   > > that I have had a personal experiential relationship with Him and thereby   
   > > know the reality of who He is, and that HE exists. Which you very well know   
   > > and choose to mock on a personal basis, so as to excuse your choice to   
   > > disbelieve and follow the lead of your god, Lucifer. Even though you do not   
   > > know him, yet the thoughts he implants in your head and deceives you with,   
   > > you chose to speak.   
   >   
   > Thoughts being implanted into heads is craziness.   
      
   Then you accept the thinking that you are crazed?   
   This is why the bible said one should control the thoughts before acting.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > Look at the "Jewish" rebellions -- plural -- if you want to know   
   > > > > > > > why the Romans would want to do that.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That's for sure. The Romans slaughtered them big time in 70 AD.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The Jews, just like other nations, did not like the Romans ruling them.   
   > > > > They knew the land was theirs, granted to them by God. While they   
   followed   
   > > > > the religion of Judaism, many did not actually follow God but only gave   
   > > > > him   
   > > > > lip service. Just like so many ‘christians’ do today.   
   > > > > One of the things that the Romans did was to allow the peoples who they   
   > > > > conquered to follow their respective religions/gods within   
   limitations. In   
   > > > > that manner they allowed the High Priests position of Judaism, however,   
   > > > > they   
   > > > > changed the position to one that required a new High Priest every year.   
   > > > > Some   
   > > > > were believers in God others used it as a position of authority and   
   power   
   > > > > over the people. The High priests worked with the roman government   
   within   
   > > > > their rules for the most part and the High Priests were given a   
   squadron   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > soldiers to use as they deemed necessary to keep the people in line   
   under   
   > > > > mosaic laws, and other purposes within the confines of Roman law. Yet   
   many   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > the Jews sought their freedom and were rebellious, for good reasons,   
   but   
   > > > > were   
   > > > > not strong enough to fight the empire successfully.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Death penalties were under the purview of the Romans. There was a   
   custom   
   > > > > for   
   > > > > that worked out with the Jews whereby a person could be set free, that   
   > > > > they   
   > > > > all abided by, and this was done to keep the lid on the Jews yet with a   
   > > > > vent.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The Jews, as taught by the prophets of God, in the days of old taught   
   of   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > messiah that was to come. Yet many were focused solely on the promise   
   that   
   > > > > God, through the Messiah would set up Israel as their ruler, and as   
   such,   
   > > > > he   
   > > > > would rule over all the nations of the world, with power and authority.   
   > > > > Thus   
   > > > > they would be sitting in a prestigious place, and for that they were   
   > > > > looking.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Even his disciples questioned him about that, so deeply was it   
   engrained   
   > > > > into their culture. But the Jews did not recognize officially that he   
   was   
   > > > > to be   
   > > > > killed first as a sacrifice for their sins. That he would also have   
   > > > > followers   
   > > > > who were not jews. Even though that was written about in many books in   
   the   
   > > > > OT. They were just looking or focused on the ending that would set   
   them up   
   > > > > as a ruling nation.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > As such today many christians reflect the attitudes and thoughts of   
   those   
   > > > > Jew in that day. And like them they religiously follow the teachings of   
   > > > > Jesus   
   > > > > Christ, but not with their hearts, only with their minds. So just like   
   > > > > them   
   > > > > they see, but do not see.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There will be and it is already present, a persecution of Believers in   
   > > > > Jesus,   
   > > > > by religious peoples. Part of the participants against them will be and   
   > > > > quietly is already happening by the so-called ‘christians’ who   
   despise   
   > > > > those people in whom the Spirit of the Almighty God resides.Especially   
   > > > > those   
   > > > > through whom the gifts of Gods Spirit operates. In coming days that   
   will   
   > > > > greatly intensify, as predicted in the Bible as well.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I am stopping at this point as this is most likely more than many can   
   > > > > bear at   
   > > > > this time. I will keep the door open for a while, since you all keep   
   > > > > posting   
   > > > > in the ‘christian’ NG’s but solely for purposes of open   
   discussion   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > not for character assassinations.   
   > > >   
   > > > You realize that you're replying to Andrew with this last screed and   
   > > > not me, right? And feel free to remove alt.religion.christian if   
   > > > alt.atheism messages are bothering you.   
   > >   
   > > Your ignorances belong amongst yourselves, as many there insist. Yet you   
   all   
   > > insist of posting to arc which is not related to aa. I have been posting   
   > > lately with my replies marked for followups to aa, so as not to cross post   
   > > in   
   > > an effort to wean you off from crossposting.   
   >   
   > I didn't add a.r.c. I only post to theist newsgroups when they post   
   > to alt.atheism.   
      
   You knew this thread originated there, and bear/sharing the blame for not   
   trimming the NG’s/   
   >   
   >   
   > > I do not know if Andrew originated the cross post of not. And he really   
   > > shouldn’t.. Paul the apostle is a good example of that, as he debated   
   > > those   
   > > who were against God in their own temples and places of discourse. He did   
   > > not   
   > > drag them to a place of worship to God, or to a temple of God, to argue and   
   > > debate. He only stopped doing that, depending of the location when those he   
   > > debated could no longer reasonably debate and sought to kill him because of   
   > > his testimony, works of God, and as a result of his teachings drew many   
   away   
   > > from their false gods and saw their income decreasing. Meaning the meat   
   > > markets that sold meat that was offered as a sacrifice to their gods, the   
   > > lack of sales of their images of their false gods as well as their charms,   
   > > incenses, etc.   
   >   
   > And you don't think Paul was doing theology when he preached his   
   > sermons?   
      
   Nope. In those days it was called and was a full part of philosophy, and he   
   was well trained in that by one of the masters of that day. Yet he taught   
      
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