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   choices due to the natural laws of this realm.   
      
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   > > > > > > > so they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible   
   > > > > > > > when they made up their stories about Jesus.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Jesus was Jewish and was the anti-type of the prophetic   
   > > > > > > symbols that were given to them..The apostle Paul based   
   > > > > > > much of his evangelical efforts on the Jewish scriptures.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > There was no Old Testament basis for believing that Jesus was the   
   > > > > > Messiah. For example, the "Suffering Servant" of the book of Isaiah   
   > > > > > refers to the Jewish nation, not Jesus of Nazareth.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There is plenty of evidence for it, and Jesus showed his disciples   
   where   
   > > > > he   
   > > > > was to be found in the OT after his resurrection. The “suffering   
   servant†  
   > > > > is not mentioned in the book of Isaiah under such a title, or anywhere   
   > > > > else, it is a concept only. And yet in the Book of Isaiah there are   
   several   
   > > > > references to him there as in the Book of Psalms and elsewhere. Isaiah   
   > > > > chapter 53 clearly speaks of Jesus and even today many young and a few   
   > > > > older   
   > > > > Jews who were taught to hate Jesus when shown that chapter, repent and   
   > > > > choose to follow Jesus as they could see Jesus, crucified, for them.   
   > > >   
   > > > Isaiah 53 *is* about the suffering servant. Did your friend Jesus   
   > > > forget to tell you that as you studied it?   
   > >   
   > > Nope. And as I told you above that is a term of men, a conceptual   
   > > understanding of the mind.   
   >   
   > It can be a conceptual understanding of the mind *and* an integral   
   > part of Biblical studies.   
      
   Of course it is, which is what I was describing and how cults come about   
   along with denominations disagreeing with one another and therefore disunity   
   in the body of Christ. It is the result of the evil one throwing shade.   
      
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   > > >   
   > > > > If you want to discuss/argue the situation you really should read with   
   the   
   > > > > intention of understanding, the Bible so as to familiarize yourself   
   with it   
   > > > > and not speak from the standpoint of hearsay. In a court or   
   understanding,   
   > > > > hearsay is not permissible.   
   > > >   
   > > > Maybe you should branch out to include some Bible commentaries with   
   > > > your Bible studied that can familiarize you with the subject. That   
   > > > way you wouldn't look like an ignoramus when confronting common topics   
   > > > like the suffering servant of Isaiah 52-53.   
   > >   
   > > Perhaps to you it seems like that. But from what you specified above how   
   can   
   > > you say or state that Israel is a "Suffering servantâ€? Who do they   
   serve as   
   > > a nation or peoples. Given that the nation was destroyed in 70AD and not   
   > > resurrected until 1948?   
   >   
   > Composed some time shortly after the Babylonian captivity, the lament   
   > about the Suffering Servant is a Jewish construct that helped them   
   > understand where they went wrong after their nation was destroyed by   
   > Babylon in the 6th century BCE.   
      
   Not at all. Perhaps if you would read it all though you might see. If it is   
   all too confusing for you, which may very well be the case, and you cannot   
   explain it in your own words, then that too should show you something.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > Look at the "Jewish" rebellions -- plural -- if you want to   
   know   
   > > > > > > > > > why the Romans would want to do that.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > That's for sure. The Romans slaughtered them big time in 70 AD.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%2870_CE%29   
      
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