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   > > > > > > when   
   > > > > > > he was presented to them soon after his birth, and they rejoiced.   
   John   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > Baptist Was a cousin of his, who grew up not knowing Jesus   
   personally.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, crucifixion is a quintessentially Roman mode of execution. It   
   > > > > > wasn't the Jews who stirred up the population against Jesus, but the   
   > > > > > Roman authorities. Jesus' claim to be the Messiah was politically   
   > > > > > dangerous enough for the Romans to look into the situation, found   
   that   
   > > > > > he was indeed guilty of sedition, and executed him for that reason.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mat 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mat 27:2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered   
   him   
   > > > > to Pontius Pilate the governor.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you were to go to the source, like here and the scriptures   
   surrounding   
   > > > > it, you would see a far different picture.   
   > > >   
   > > > An interesting quote. However, it carries no weight for those who   
   > > > don't accept the Bible as being inspired.   
   > >   
   > > Of course not. Especially when you are afraid to read and understand what   
   the   
   > > Word of God really says so that you can discuss things intelligently even   
   if   
   > > you chose not to follow it. Ghandi was such a person. Agrippa in the days   
   of   
   > > Paul was like that as well.   
   >   
   > Not at all. I've read the Bible in its entirety, as I've probably   
   > told you before, even taking notes as I went. But unlike you, I've   
   > read what *scholars say* about the Bible as well.   
      
   What scholars? And of which denominations? You may have read it once all the   
   way through, but for what reason, purpose, an what did you take out of it?   
      
   I may have read more “scholars” writings than you, as well as bible   
   commentators as well. I know the strengths and weaknesses of many. But I   
   would far rather base my understanding upon the words of God, learn what he   
   has to say, and make it mine, Than to use the words of others. Yet I have   
   used the words of others many times, for a variety of reasons. One being to   
   show what others say so that they might know and understand that it is not   
   just my understanding. That others know the same as well as more than I.   
   People sometimes turn against the message because of the messenger. I have   
   seen that happen on more than one occasion when my entire reply to a question   
   or two was answered solely by quoting the Bible and what it said that would   
   answer their questions. Yet their response was against it because it was my   
   interpretation of the scripture. In spite of the fact that they fully knew it   
   was a direct quote.   
      
   There are many better versed with the word of God than I. But what I do know,   
   I know. Because of experiences, trust, and the leading of the Lord. And I am   
   happy and very content to follow his lead. And learn new things.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a   
   > > Christian.   
   > >   
   > > Act 26:29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all   
   > > that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am,   
   except   
   > > these bonds.   
   >   
   > So?   
      
   It was part of an answer that you requested.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > Scripture also speaks from the perspective of the Romans who found no   
   > > > > fault   
   > > > > in him. No sedition, nothing. Also verified from Roman history which   
   many   
   > > > > try to discredit so as to destroy the truth for an anti-Jesus   
   narrative.   
   > > >   
   > > > The Romans knew what a Messiah was supposed to do. They decided to   
   > > > nip it in the bud before things got worse.   
   > >   
   > > Nope. Although there was one local ruler In Judea that was of that mindset,   
   > > and killed every child and baby under the age of 2 for miles around for   
   fear   
   > > he would lose his rulership. And went down in history noted for that deed.   
   >   
   > You're talking about Herod the Great. It would've been characteristic   
   > of him to do something like that, but he probably never did, for a   
   > variety of reasons.   
      
   Pure conjecture on your part. But he earned a nickname because of what he   
   did, that no doubt many have heard but did not understand why he was known by   
   that.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > You also learned these things when you were young, So what’s with   
   > > > > > > these lies?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Look, liar, you know it's stupid to place too much historical weight   
   > > > > > on the legends and stories in the gospels, and yet you continue to do   
   > > > > > it. Why is that?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Liar? What did I lie about?   
   > > >   
   > > > You lied by acting as if other people accept the Bible as being   
   > > > authoritative, which isn't true, as you must surely know by now.   
   > >   
   > > I know, as well as you, that many people believe that whether they be   
   > > Christian or not.   
   > > And that does not make me a liar. I also know that you, just like the well   
   > > known atheists leaders, who were given enough time to die on a deathbed   
   > > realized their mistake yet most felt they fully deserved the end result as   
   > > described in the Bible and few very few humbled themselves before God and   
   > > sought His Mercy.   
   >   
   > So if you're not a liar, I have to ask, Why the lie? And didn't you   
   > post a video about atheists on their deathbeds that was debunked by   
   > several atheists here in alt.atheism?   
      
   Nope. Since what links I did give gave eyewitness accounts that no one in   
   your group could possibly dismiss truthfully.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > I have also mentioned here, many, many times that I have personal   
   > > > > knowledge   
   > > > > and understandings of God, even if they are limited greatly due to the   
   > > > > fact   
   > > > > that I have had a personal experiential relationship with Him and   
   thereby   
   > > > > know the reality of who He is, and that HE exists. Which you very well   
   > > > > know   
   > > > > and choose to mock on a personal basis, so as to excuse your choice to   
   > > > > disbelieve and follow the lead of your god, Lucifer. Even though you do   
   > > > > not   
   > > > > know him, yet the thoughts he implants in your head and deceives you   
   with,   
   > > > > you chose to speak.   
   > > >   
   > > > Thoughts being implanted into heads is craziness.   
   > >   
   > > Then you accept the thinking that you are crazed?   
   > > This is why the bible said one should control the thoughts before acting.   
   >   
   > Umm... no, I don't believe in thoughts being implanted. That's you   
   > that believes that!   
      
   It will not me long until you have a rude awakening and recognize that you   
   had a thought that was not your own perhaps noticeably different than what   
   you would normally have within your normal character.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   > > > > > You realize that you're replying to Andrew with this last screed and   
   > > > > > not me, right? And feel free to remove alt.religion.christian if   
   > > > > > alt.atheism messages are bothering you.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your ignorances belong amongst yourselves, as many there insist. Yet   
   you   
   > > > > all   
   > > > > insist of posting to arc which is not related to aa. I have been   
   posting   
   > > > > lately with my replies marked for followups to aa, so as not to cross   
   post   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > an effort to wean you off from crossposting.   
   > > >   
   > > > I didn't add a.r.c. I only post to theist newsgroups when they post   
   > > > to alt.atheism.   
   > >   
   > > You knew this thread originated there, and bear/sharing the blame for not   
   > > trimming the NG’s/   
   >   
   > I don't trim them, because I believe people should be able to see the   
      
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