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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 23, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 00:26:04 -0700, None  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 17:38:06 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   > > > > > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1   
   dont-email.me...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,   
   specifically for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Him   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > be crucified.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast   
   the hated   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian   
   church, so   
   > > > > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when   
   they made   
   > > > > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the   
   beginning.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional   
   rift   
   > > > > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the   
   > > > > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good   
   graces.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false   
   > > > > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate   
   on who   
   > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full   
   wisdom   
   > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for   
   that   
   > > > > > > reason   
   > > > > > > many denominations err and there is separation and not a common   
   bond.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to   
   > > > > > being an attempt at history.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus   
   to   
   > > > > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such   
   > > > > attempts   
   > > > > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or been   
   > > > > discredited soon afterwards.   
   > > >   
   > > > Paul *claimed* that 500 witnesses saw him, but who was counting,   
   > > > right? And are you seriously claiming that attempts to create history   
   > > > are always unsuccessful? Do you believe all the stories promulgated   
   > > > by the Mormons, for example?   
   > >   
   > > Paul never said that. When the book of Mormons does not agree with   
   scripture   
   > > then their teachings are fully suspect. Many are seemingly nice people on   
   > > the   
   > > outside. But on weekends the roads from Salt Lake City out of town on   
   Friday   
   > > nights and sat mornings are packed to LV and north also, out of state for   
   > > casinos, etc. and on Sunday evenings it is the reverse. I am also very   
   > > familiar with many and know some of the ins n outs I will say no more about   
   > > them.   
   >   
   > Paul said it in 1 Corinthians 15:6. And regardless of whether   
   > Mormonism agrees with scripture, it's still a very large denomination.   
   > So if the Mormons could do it, why couldn't first century Christians   
   > do it?   
      
   1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:   
      
   There is no mention of 500 people there are all.   
      
   Hinduism has far more people than the Mormons, does that give them more   
   legitimacy? Plus they have well over 1K gods.Some claim that Hinduism existed   
   before Jesus. They accept spirituality and practice that a lot as well, even   
   though it is evil. See the rabbit holes in the thinking of the mind of men?   
   Given your reasoning a person could justify adultery by telling you that as   
   they were doing it, they were thinking of you and thus justify it.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > So they vilified the non-Messianic Jews (referred to as simply   
   "the   
   > > > > > > > Jews"), blaming them for Jesus' death and attacking Jewish sects   
   like   
   > > > > > > > the Pharisees as they wrote the Gospels.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That, my friend, is misleading and without understanding. They   
   were to   
   > > > > > > be   
   > > > > > > blamed for the Death of Christ, and they knew it at the time.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Even the Jews who had nothing to do with Jesus' crucifixion (e.g.,   
   > > > > > children)?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > All the ones in that crowd that proclaimed it were accepting the   
   > > > > responsibility and with such emphasis that they were fully willing to   
   hold   
   > > > > their children and their children’s children as culpable as well.   
   They   
   > > > > did   
   > > > > so knowing full well the severity of doing such a thing before God and   
   > > > > Man,   
   > > > > and people in that culture did not take such things likely as they   
   > > > > considered themselves bound by their words.   
   > > >   
   > > > Was it the children's fault that they were supposedly indoctrinated   
   > > > that way?   
   > >   
   > > Is it your fault that your were born into a sin nature because of Adam   
   Fall?   
   > > And are you powerless to seek and receive deliverance from that condition?   
   >   
   > No, it's not my fault. So why should I suffer for what Adam and Eve   
   > supposedly did?   
      
   You are their offspring you inherited their existence. They subjected the   
   world to the power of Lucifer, making him the god of this world into which   
   you were born.   
      
   You have a choice, once you reach the age of accountability of with choosing   
   the things of this world and all that goes with it, or accepting the promised   
   Messiah and all that he provides for your escape from it, as well as the   
   power to live accordingly and all power over the spiritual enemy. Choose   
      
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