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From: none@none.non
On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
> > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,
specifically for Him
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be crucified.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the
hated
> > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church,
so
> > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they
made
> > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
beginning.
> > > > >
> > > > > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional rift
> > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the
> > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.
> > > >
> > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false
> > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate on
who
> > > > God
> > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full wisdom
and
> > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for that
> > > > reason
> > > > many denominations err and there is separation and not a common bond.
> > >
> > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to
> > > being an attempt at history.
> >
> > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus to
> > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such
> > attempts
> > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or been
> > discredited soon afterwards.
>
> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added by
> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever mentioned
> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them leave
> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey
> those experiences to anyone else.
>
> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human beings
> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single
> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John, Matthew Luke,
Mark.
Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for the first
time on the road to Damascus
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due
time.
Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three years.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of
me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but by the
revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted
it:
***
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before
me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and
abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie
not.
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