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   >> > > > show what others say so that they might know and understand that it   
   is not   
   >> > > > just my understanding. That others know the same as well as more than   
   I.   
   >> > > > People sometimes turn against the message because of the messenger. I   
   have   
   >> > > > seen that happen on more than one occasion when my entire reply to a   
   >> > > > question   
   >> > > > or two was answered solely by quoting the Bible and what it said that   
   >> > > > would   
   >> > > > answer their questions. Yet their response was against it because it   
   was   
   >> > > > my   
   >> > > > interpretation of the scripture. In spite of the fact that they fully   
   knew   
   >> > > > it was a direct quote.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > You've read Biblical scholarship but have never heard of the Suffering   
   >> > > Servant?   
   >> >   
   >> > Only vaguely, and it was never a biblical expression.   
   >>   
   >> Of course. It's an expression used by Biblical studies, not the Bible   
   >> itself -- which you claimed to be familiar with.   
   >   
   >So then you agree there is no reason for me to be dining in that manner.   
      
   No.  What do you mean by "dining in that manner"?   
      
   >> > Not that it matters, it is only theological, meaning from the mind of men,   
   >> > not God.   
   >>   
   >> No, theology is itself the study of God.   
   >   
   >There are many gods to study. But how can one know a god that they never met,   
   >or experienced?   
   >Why are there many atheists who got degrees in divinity and theology, yet   
   >declere there is no God or gods? Do you ever spend time thinking? Pondering?   
   >Or considering what ifs? You know, serious thoughts about life, etc.?   
      
   No, I've long past the "what if" stage.  I'm now quite certain that   
   theism in any of its varieties is wrong.   
      
   >> > > > There are many better versed with the word of God than I. But what I   
   do   
   >> > > > know,   
   >> > > > I know. Because of experiences, trust, and the leading of the Lord.   
   And I   
   >> > > > am   
   >> > > > happy and very content to follow his lead. And learn new things.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > There's no reason to believe the Lord is leading you.   
   >> >   
   >> > You have no way of determining that. You have not had an experiential   
   >> > relationship with God so as to know one way or the other, as you have been   
   >> > shunning that your entire life.   
   >>   
   >> I determine that by observing that a supposed relationship with God is   
   >> really just a psychological artifact of wishful thinking.   
   >   
   >Really? There are millions who have had experiential relationships with the   
   >God of the Bible, who know God, received his love, and live in it, Like   
   >Charlie Kirks wife has done, and without God in her life she would not have   
   >experience a peace in her pain, a peace that only God could give as it far   
   >surpasses all human understanding. There is no wishful thinking that could   
   >create that or even experience it.   
   >Jesus said to cast all your cares upon Him. And he will direct your path,   
   >plus a whole lot more things for those who place their difficulties into His   
   >hands, expecting. Unless you have gone through times where there is nowhere   
   >else to turn, you might never know what that is and how God works and   
   >intervenes for His Children. Those that are born by Him, aka Born Again. I   
   >have been there, done that, and I had peace when it seemed as if everything I   
   >cared about was failing. I’ve learned of other who have gone through   
   >similar or seeming worse things that did I, and we all have one thing in   
   >common that came out of it. Faith! A rock solid Belief in God. Via   
   >experiences. Trust, confidence, Joy, peace, and an open door of communication   
   >with our Heavenly Father. None of it bound by religion.   
      
   Mrs. Kirk did the right thing (in the sense of being consistent with   
   her religion), while President Trump says he harbors hate for his   
   political enemies.   
      
   >> > > > > > Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me   
   to be a   
   >> > > > > > Christian.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Act 26:29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but   
   also   
   >> > > > > > all   
   >> > > > > > that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I   
   am,   
   >> > > > > > except these bonds.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > So?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > It was part of an answer that you requested.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > When did I ever request anything like that?   
   >> >   
   >> > If you were to pour over this thread, perhaps going back in time a few   
   days   
   >> > ago when I responded with the info then you might see it. But I understand   
   >> > from you that you are against going over things to see and understand,   
   even   
   >> > if it is what you wrote. And since you constantly break up paragraphs into   
   >> > sound bites in order to tear thought continuity apart, it is difficult to   
   >> > carry on any meaningful conversation with you as you lose even your own   
   >> > train   
   >> > of thought.   
   >>   
   >> That's "pore" over, not "pour over". And I only break up paragraphs   
   >> when you have them broken up first.   
   >   
   >That is not true and your posts reflect it. Spelling flames? Lol.   
      
   It is true, and as for the spelling flame...now you know!   
      
   >> > > > > > > > Scripture also speaks from the perspective of the Romans who   
   found no   
   >> > > > > > > > fault   
   >> > > > > > > > in him. No sedition, nothing. Also verified from Roman   
   history which   
   >> > > > > > > > many   
   >> > > > > > > > try to discredit so as to destroy the truth for an anti-Jesus   
   >> > > > > > > > narrative.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > The Romans knew what a Messiah was supposed to do. They decided   
   to   
   >> > > > > > > nip it in the bud before things got worse.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Nope. Although there was one local ruler In Judea that was of that   
   >> > > > > > mindset,   
   >> > > > > > and killed every child and baby under the age of 2 for miles   
   around for   
   >> > > > > > fear   
   >> > > > > > he would lose his rulership. And went down in history noted for   
   that   
   >> > > > > > deed.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > You're talking about Herod the Great. It would've been   
   characteristic   
   >> > > > > of him to do something like that, but he probably never did, for a   
   >> > > > > variety of reasons.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Pure conjecture on your part. But he earned a nickname because of   
   what he   
   >> > > > did, that no doubt many have heard but did not understand why he was   
   known   
   >> > > > by that.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > From   
   >> > >   
   >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents   
   >> > >   
   >> > > "The historicity of the Matthew account is not accepted by modern   
   >> > > sources.[7][2][8] The story of the massacre is found in no gospel   
   >> > > other than Matthew, nor is it mentioned in the surviving works of   
   >> > > Nicolaus of Damascus (who was a personal friend of Herod the Great),   
   >> > > nor in Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews, despite his recording many   
   >> > > of Herod's misdeeds, including the murder of three of his own sons.[9]   
   >> > > The early 5th-century account of Macrobius—that "on hearing that the   
   >> > > son of Herod, king of the Jews, had been slain when Herod ordered that   
   >> > > all boys in Syria under the age of two be killed, [Augustus] said,   
   >> > > 'It's better to be Herod's pig than his son'"—has been discounted as   
   >> > > extra-biblical evidence for the event due to its later authorship,   
   >> > > possible influence by the gospel narrative, and the confused nature of   
   >> > > the account.[10] In view of the lack of independent confirmation that   
   >> > > the event occurred, the story acts as a kind of folklore inspired by   
   >> > > Herod's reputation.[8] As a matter of understanding what the myth is   
      
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