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On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
(Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):
> On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> > (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
> > > > On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> > > > (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
> > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vq
a$1@dont-email.me...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,
specifically for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be crucified.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story,
cast the hated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian
church, so
> > > > > > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible
when they
> > > > > > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
> > > > > > > > > > beginning.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an
emotional rift
> > > > > > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as
the
> > > > > > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good
graces.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a
false
> > > > > > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of men who
speculate on
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having
full wisdom
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and
for that
> > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > many denominations err and there is separation and not a
common bond.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition
to
> > > > > > > being an attempt at history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it.
Plus to
> > > > > > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for
such
> > > > > > attempts
> > > > > > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or
been
> > > > > > discredited soon afterwards.
> > > > >
> > > > > The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added
by
> > > > > some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
> > > > > storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever
mentioned
> > > > > anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
> > > > > sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them
leave
> > > > > any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey
> > > > > those experiences to anyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > > As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human
beings
> > > > > lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single
> > > > > source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
> > > > > independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
> > > >
> > > > It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John, Matthew
> > > > Luke,
> > > > Mark.
> > > >
> > > > Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for the
> > > > first
> > > > time on the road to Damascus
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
received,
> > > > how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
> > > > according to the scriptures:
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at
once;
> > > > of
> > > > whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
> > > > asleep.
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
> > > >
> > > > 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of
due
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three years.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached
> > > > of
> > > > me is not after man.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but
by
> > > > the
> > > > revelation of Jesus Christ.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
> > > > religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
> > > > wasted
> > > > it:
> > > >
> > > > ***
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles
before
> > > > me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter,
and
> > > > abode with him fifteen days.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's
> > > > brother.
> > > >
> > > > Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I
lie
> > > > not.
> >
> > This was an interesting read. At first I thought you were writing a
synopsis
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