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From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
>>> On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>> (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>> (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate, specifically
for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be crucified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the hated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian church,
so
>>>>>>>>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when they
>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In whose mind? Yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an emotional rift
>>>>>>>>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as the
>>>>>>>>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good graces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a false
>>>>>>>>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who speculate on
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full
wisdom
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and for that
>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common bond.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition to
>>>>>>>> being an attempt at history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it. Plus
to
>>>>>>> think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for such
>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>> have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or been
>>>>>>> discredited soon afterwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment added by
>>>>>> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
>>>>>> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever mentioned
>>>>>> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
>>>>>> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them leave
>>>>>> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or convey
>>>>>> those experiences to anyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human beings
>>>>>> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one single
>>>>>> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
>>>>>> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John, Matthew
>>>>> Luke,
>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for the
>>>>> first
>>>>> time on the road to Damascus
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
received,
>>>>> how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
>>>>> according to the scriptures:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once;
>>>>> of
>>>>> whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
>>>>> asleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of
due
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus then taught Paul in the desert for during a time of three years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached
>>>>> of
>>>>> me is not after man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taughtit, but by
>>>>> the
>>>>> revelation of Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
>>>>> religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
>>>>> wasted
>>>>> it:
>>>>>
>>>>> ***
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles
before
>>>>> me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and
>>>>> abode with him fifteen days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's
>>>>> brother.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie
>>>>> not.
>>>
>>> This was an interesting read. At first I thought you were writing a
synopsis
>>> of one of his writings, but such does not appear to be the case. I have not
>>> studied his works, but I briefly reviewed some of the comments made by
>>> others
>>> who have their own views of what he wrote. Sadly it is difficult to comment
>>> on them since I would have to study up on Paine in order to know something
>>> about him, and it would have to be mainly the things written by his hand,
>>> not
>>> based on the comments of others, unless they were peer friends of his,
>>> personally.
>>>
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