XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy   
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   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):   
      
   > On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:   
   > > On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > (Message-ID: <10b5635$ou51$2@dont-email.me>):   
   > >   
   > > > On 9/25/2025 8:36 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID: <10b4fhn$k74m$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, No   
   e  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700,   
   None  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir   
   p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently   
   petitioned Pilate,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specifically   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Him   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be crucified.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented   
   the story, cast the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hated   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote   
   what happened..   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the   
   early Christian   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as   
   possible when   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all   
   Jews in the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then they branched off, theologically,   
   leaving an emotional   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rift   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to   
   follow Jesus as the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in   
   Christians' good   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graces.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans    
   nderstandings. It is a   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > false   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of   
   men who   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speculate   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it   
   as having full   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to   
   confuse, and for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many denominations err and there is separation and   
   not a common   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bond.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement   
   in addition   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > being an attempt at history.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500   
   witnesses of it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > think that someone was trying to create history is   
   foolish, for   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > such   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > attempts   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > have been tried similar to that, but were always   
   disproven, and or   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > been   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > discredited soon afterwards.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter   
   embellishment   
   > > > > > > > > > > > added   
   > > > > > > > > > > > by   
   > > > > > > > > > > > some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself   
   is just   
   > > > > > > > > > > > storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition"   
   ever   
   > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned   
   > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or   
   in secular   
   > > > > > > > > > > > sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any   
   of them   
   > > > > > > > > > > > leave   
   > > > > > > > > > > > any surviving accounts of their own individual   
   experiences, or   
   > > > > > > > > > > > convey   
   > > > > > > > > > > > those experiences to anyone else.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to   
   500 human   
   > > > > > > > > > > > beings   
   > > > > > > > > > > > lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned   
   in one   
   > > > > > > > > > > > single   
   > > > > > > > > > > > source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in   
   dozens of   
      
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