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From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
On 9/26/2025 4:55 PM, None wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
> (Message-ID: <10b6v56$19ttv$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/26/2025 1:09 AM, None wrote:
>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>> (Message-ID: <10b5635$ou51$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 9/25/2025 8:36 PM, None wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b4fhn$k74m$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/25/2025 5:16 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b43lk$gl7c$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 1:37 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10b16k1$3p0ga$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2025 2:15 AM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2025, Dawn Flood wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID: <10ava3e$3agu7$2@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2025 7:38 PM, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JTEM" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:10apq31$1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be crucified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that the Romans, who invented the story, cast the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews as the bad guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> church,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up their stories about Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In whose mind? Yours?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an
emotional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graces.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> false
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding because it stems from the mind of men who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wisdom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and
for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many denominations err and there is separation and not a common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bond.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being an attempt at history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and
or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discredited soon afterwards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The so-called "500 witnesses" is likely a latter embellishment
>>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> some scribe to "beef up" Paul's account, or Paul himself is just
>>>>>>>>>>>> storytelling. Nowhere is this supposed "mass apparition" ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere else, either elsewhere in the New Testament or in secular
>>>>>>>>>>>> sources, and none of the 500 are ever named, nor did any of them
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>>>> any surviving accounts of their own individual experiences, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> convey
>>>>>>>>>>>> those experiences to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As with the "crucifixion darkness," the appearances to 500 human
>>>>>>>>>>>> beings
>>>>>>>>>>>> lacks contextual credibility, as it only gets mentioned in one
>>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>>> source, when, in fact, it should have been mentioned in dozens of
>>>>>>>>>>>> independent sources if, in fact, it had happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was. It is mentioned by others in the NT. Most notable John,
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>> Luke,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus at that time. Paul saw him for
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> time on the road to Damascus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also
>>>>>>>>>>> received,
>>>>>>>>>>> how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
>>>>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>>>>> according to the scriptures:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at
>>>>>>>>>>> once;
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen
>>>>>>>>>>> asleep.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the
apostles.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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