XPost: sci.skeptic, sci.bio.paleontology, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.alien.skeptic   
   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/12/2025 8:24 AM, John Harshman wrote:   
   > On 10/11/25 7:18 AM, Pandora wrote:   
   >> Op 11-10-2025 om 01:02 schreef John Harshman:   
   >>   
   >>> On 10/10/25 9:44 AM, JTEM wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So Wiki isn't a cite, it's not a legitimate cite, but you can   
   >>>> use it to establish that an idea is out there, you're not   
   >>>> making shit up... someone else else.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Anyway, here's Wiki on a Ganymede probe:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace-P   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The idea here is NOT to establish that there's a Ganymede   
   >>>> probe, it's to establish that there isn't one.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Science isn't a priority. It's not.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> See, Ganymede is one of the best candidates for life outside   
   >>>> of the earth, within our solar system. AND they have detected   
   >>>> things like oxygen! Not everywhere, but the belief is that   
   >>>> the life would exist within a subsurface ocean...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Venus?  That's even easier!  The potential life is high up   
   >>>> in the atmosphere. They don't even have to land! They could   
   >>>> just fly low, scooping up air into collectors then fly back   
   >>>> out.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No digging. No melting through ice. No landing, collecting   
   >>>> and then launching back into space...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And of course there's the Mars "Return Mission." Which   
   >>>> means gathering up samples and blasting them back to Earth   
   >>>> for analysis.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ALL OF THESE could have already been paid for. Done. All we   
   >>>> had to do is decide that science, the biggest scientific   
   >>>> discovery we could yet make is more important than killing   
   >>>> people in wars that are not our own.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for other people's wars, nothing for   
   >>>> Ganymede. FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS wasted on an idiotic and   
   >>>> unjustifiable "Response" to CoronaPanic, but nothing for   
   >>>> the search for life...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Government is owned by the special interests, and the   
   >>>> special interests -- through bribes and blackmail -- tells   
   >>>> the government who to give the money to. And it's never   
   >>>> science. Not real science.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Other people's problems."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There's PLENTY of examples of it, outside of science. But   
   >>>> it's always the same:  Money wasted on things that we   
   >>>> would be better off NOT getting involved in, and nothing   
   >>>> for things that matter.   
   >>>   
   >>> Is it just me, or is he getting both angrier and crazier?   
   >>   
   >> That seems to be the trend in the US lately (from a European point of   
   >> view).   
   >>   
   >> But there is a point in wasting money on things that we would better   
   >> not getting involved in, and nothing for things that matter (such as   
   >> paleontology). Science seems to be under threat in the US. Don't you   
   >> worry?   
   >>   
   > Quite a bit. About science, about the climate, about the new police   
   > state, etc. And it's only 9 months in.   
      
   The US is just one country among 195.  For instance, when the DoD (or,   
   DoW) shutdown the satellite that the NSIDC had been using for over 40   
   years, they switched to one that is owned & operated by Japan:   
      
   https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today   
      
   They recalibrated their datasets and life went on!   
      
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