XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.conspiracy, soc.history   
   From: x@x.org   
      
   On 11/1/25 21:05, JTEM wrote:   
   > On 11/1/25 3:40 PM, x wrote:   
   >   
   >> Perhaps in a future age when time travel was possible   
   >> then also perhaps somewhat earlier something like   
   >> 'mind uploading' could be developed.  In essence,   
   >> the configurations of connections between the neurons   
   >> could be copied, and when a computer simulation is   
   >> run based upon the copy then, that mind could do   
   >> something again in a simulated world as if the 'brain'   
   >> were still alive and the 'body' were still alive after   
   >> the death of that organism in space-time.   
   >   
   > Why?  How?   
   >   
   > If I could upload your brain:  Your memories, your   
   > thoughts, your personality, all that is you -- why   
   > would it think your body still exists?   
   >   
   > Uploading a brain would be worse than hell. A copy of   
   > you -- conscious, yes, but not actually a person --   
   > would exists inside a computer, and would know   
   > nothing but that computer.   
   >   
   > How could you assume that it could even take control   
   > of output devices and communicate? Or input devices for   
   > that matter?   
   >   
   > Google:  Phantom pain   
   >   
   > At best, that would be the world of your uploaded   
   > duplicate.   
   >   
   >> This would   
   >> be both 'mind uploading' and 'time travel' as possible   
   >> and real and provable.   
   >   
   > I don't see it.   
   >   
   > It would be torture. Sure, it would be hideous torture,   
   > subjecting a mind to that, but it's not time travel.   
   >   
   >>   Could it be mass produced for   
   >> millions or billions of humans upon death in some future   
   >> age?   
   >   
   > Oh, I get it:  And you extort everyone!  "Pay us or we'll   
   > upload your consciousness to this hell."   
   >   
   >> Then again, maybe not.  Perhaps all persons go to a fate   
   >> far worse than hell   
   >   
   > New Jersey?   
   >   
   > Did you ever watch the show "Upload?"   
   >   
   > I told the roomie:  "If this ever becomes possible, DO!   
   > NOT!   
      
   Yea there is that poem attributed to Lucretius (about how   
   humans create hells for themselves in this world).   
      
   I remember reading several decades ago some articles about   
   how 'fuzzy logic' and 'neural networks' can process information   
   (parallel architecture and overcoming the 'Von Neumann bottleneck').   
      
   I am OK with the idea that could be correct.  I surfed few a few   
   summaries of some of the shows that you mentioned (fiction generally   
   meaning not true for entertainment).  Maybe I might watch a few later   
   on if I find them somewhere.   
      
   I came across someone using the word 'Transhumanism' as a sectarian   
   thing a little while ago so I am thinking there may be an option   
   for a non-existent method.  (That sort of already exists.)   
      
   Is something like 'life insurance' a bad idea?  Who really knows.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)