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   On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:25:23 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
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   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:48:46 AM   
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   12:47:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at   
   12:05:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at   
   11:19:03 PM UTC-7, Julio Di Egidio wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at   
   20:48:07 UTC+2, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Well, see, Marx was a   
   materialist and..."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You fucking spambot, lest anybody   
   not miss something    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not totally false about philosophy   
   and Marxism in particular.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ESAD, you and the whole nazi   
   retarded brigade.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "On the other hand, it's really not   
   true that Marxists as a whole, unlike Jean-Luc Nancy,    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were members of the nazi-retarded   
   brigade. (Look, he *really was*.)"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You would be unsure to say whether,   
   for example, Karl Kautsky was already 'nazi-retarded' or not."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Althusser and his school would   
   definitely have disputed that they were 'nazi-retarded', but careful    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consideration of the French culture and   
   society of their time shows that..."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about Engels, though?"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hilary Putnam thought something of   
   Engels's philosophical work...    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You're kidding."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it's in some of his papers if memory   
   serves.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Was he nazi-retarded, then?"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, he was highly intelligent about them.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I think, being Jewish, he must have been   
   nazi-retarded."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Highly dubious. He probably never even 'rode the   
   short bus' at all.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about Adorno and Horkheimer?"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is some question as to whether they even   
   retarded the Nazis themselves.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't like you."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a common feeling.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ironically: "Oh, I get it. I can just see Adorno   
   'getting retarded', he's all loose and relaxed..."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > More Ironically: "Gretel Adorno is a little bit of a   
   puzzle to me, actually."    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > "WTF does Gretel Adorno have to do with anything?"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > She was Theodor Adorno's wife.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > "She was?"    
   > > > > > > > > > > > It's said to be so. Is there a reason to doubt the   
   statement, you think?    
   > > > > > > > > > > "Perhaps not."    
   > > > > > > > > > > Good, glad you can stand to "countenance" something.    
   > > > > > > > > > "I get this. Hilary Putnam was Jewish?"    
   > > > > > > > > > Yes, although you could easily not appreciate this, covered   
   as it was with a sort of 'patina'.    
   > > > > > > > > > "Are you Jewish?"    
   > > > > > > > > > No.    
   > > > > > > > > "Engels, too?"    
   > > > > > > > > Germans don't find this a confusing one, I don't think.    
   > > > > > > > "What about Althusser, then?"    
   > > > > > > > He was from Algeria. They called those people *pieds noirs*...    
   > > > > > > "Well, Kautsky, as a good German..."    
   > > > > > > See, there are 'limits to understanding', huh?    
   > > > > > "Was Marx German?"    
   > > > > > He was not Engels or Kautsky. (A "traditional" joke that leaves you   
   rather unimpressed, etc.)    
   > > > > "What about Moses Hess?"    
   > > > > Oh, a wise guy!    
   > > > > "Nobody says that any more."    
   > > > > Huh, I didn't know that.    
   > > > "Was he a German, then?"    
   > > > "You don't think of 'Hess' as a German name?"    
   > > "I suppose I do. Was he a Nazi, too?"    
   > > "He lived in the 19th century."    
   > > "Is that a good enough answer?"    
   > > "Most think that it is."   
   > "What about Weber?"    
   > "Was he a German? Sure."    
   > "No, was he a Marxist?"    
   > "He's not usually so classified."   
      
   "Okay then, so about Moses Hess. Who was he?"   
   An earlier German socialist, who inspired Marx and Engels a bit?   
   "Older than Marx?"   
   That's my recollection, yes.   
      
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