From: theleasthappyfella@gmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:40:29 PM UTC-7, Arindam Banerjee wrote:   
   > On Friday, 14 July 2023 at 01:23:56 UTC+10, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:25:55 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 5:08:38 PM UTC-7, Arindam Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 01:52:18 UTC+10, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-7, Arindam Banerjee   
   wrote:    
   > > > > > > On Saturday, 8 July 2023 at 01:23:57 UTC+10, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:37:16 PM UTC-7, Arindam   
   Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 01:21:46 UTC+10, Jeffrey Rubard   
   wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:15:41 AM UTC-7, Arindam   
   Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 6 July 2023 at 01:46:57 UTC+10, Jeffrey   
   Rubard wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:44:21 AM UTC-7,   
   Arindam Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 01:22:32 UTC+10, bruce   
   bowser wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:27:33 AM UTC-4,   
   Arindam Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 2 July 2023 at 09:22:40 UTC+10, bruce   
   bowser wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:16:14 PM UTC-4,   
   Arindam Banerjee wrote:    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > High time AI replaced politicians as well.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, AI can't feel the pain of punishments that   
   it would administer. Can it?    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor the joys like fat salaries, fames, infames,   
   awards, pensions etc.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI: cheap, reliable, will work 7*24, will allow   
   upgrades, save on election moneys and promises...    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No wonder Asimov wrote that a good well-programmed   
   robot would save humanity from itself.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > But would one slightly less save humanity?    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything better than politicians will save humanity.   
   It won't be difficult to make a machine system far better.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, the idea I had about googling (which I   
   initiated with my paper in 1987) came from the notion of superpolitics, that   
   in turn inspired by Asimov's robot-in-charge.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Superpolitics means direct democracy, with interested   
   participants for every issue voting directly and making decisions.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Machines conduct the whole thing, monitor results,   
   make reports and distribute.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Much like internet today, only much more focussed,   
   organised, democratic, etc. and tamper-proof from trolls, etc. Anti-troll   
   software, big issue.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > No politicians, only people using machines.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is what machines are for.    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,    
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Arindam Banerjee    
   > > > > > > > > > > > Is this supposed to be anything like Alain Badiou's   
   "Metapolitics"?    
   > > > > > > > > > > No, just getting rid of politicians, the way we get rid of   
   researchers with google, chatbox, etc.    
   > > > > > > > > > No, we really don't. (Also, are you just a "contrarian"   
   politician? They're really a more tiresome species than reported.)    
   > > > > > > > > In theory we do here and in practice when, the sooner the   
   better, with the politicians who are obsolete.    
   > > > > > > > > > > And getting direct democracy, as opposed to representative   
   democracy, which is not the same thing as a one-party system like Marxism with   
   a human dictator at the top and slaves below.    
   > > > > > > > > > Early, and often: "This is a hoax, isn't it?"    
   > > > > > > > > You are an idiot, right?    
   > > > > > > > An *idiotes*, in Greek society, would be a powerful person who   
   could not handle the demands of social life and would behave in a monstrous,   
   'autistic' fashion.    
   > > > > > > > So: "No, not that kind of idiot."    
   > > > > > > > > > > The Athenian democracy, while very limited, was a direct   
   democracy. It was quite singular, as other Greek states had oligarchs, kings,   
   etc.    
   > > > > > > > > > Yeah, uh, it was also 2,500 years ago so has some very   
   limited relevance for our modern age.    
   > > > > > > > > The pols and their hangers-on live in designs copied from   
   them.    
   > > > > > > > You are a real dope when it comes to 'fake realpolitik' like   
   that, huh?    
   > > > > > > > > > > Here all are masters, and the robots simply do the jobs of   
   politicians properly.    
   > > > > > > > > > Good of the "robots"?    
   > > > > > > > > > "What?"    
   > > > > > > > > > Karel Capek's word, originally...    
   > > > > > > > (No comment on Capek, here.)    
   > > > > > > > > > > This follows from Asimov's vision of the future - with one   
   android robot, seen as a human, brilliantly doing all the great works that   
   cannot be done by stupid bickering unprincipled corrupt pols.    
   > > > > > > > > > "I think you are pretty dense."    
   > > > > > > > > I think nothing about you.    
   > > > > > > > You think that's an intelligent thing to say? Man, what they   
   fill immigrants full of these days...    
   > > > > > > I thought you were trying to be sensible, in your reply to the OP,   
   so I continued in my efforts to educate you, but evidently I was mistaken.   
   Narrow minded racist bigots like you really cannot change.    
   > > > > > As opposed to "broad-minded racist bigots" like you?    
   > > > > > (For the audience: Lift every voice... don't ring.)    
   > > > > Racist bigots cannot change, normally. A miracle is needed for that to   
   happen. Evidently I did not create a miracle.    
   > > > "Something about Hume and something about you" -- a formula, once.    
   > > So what is your theory, compared to Hume's, of miracles?    
   > > ("Click" on the other end of the line, etc.)   
   > No theory about miracles. To the blessed theist, the entire universe is a   
   miracle.   
      
   Do you know how dumb it is to talk like that, about 'blessed theists'?   
   The old American rule: "Speak according to knowledge and conviction."   
   Here, you seem to lack both.   
      
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