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   Ilya Shambat to All   
   Trojan War and Marital Separation   
   17 Jul 23 22:11:35   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   According to some people, Menelaus was right to start the Trojan War because   
   his wife left him to be with another man.   
      
   By that standard Russia should invade America because there are many Russian   
   women married to American men.   
      
   Now Paris and Helen were frequently accused of hubris; but the hubris of   
   Menelaus was far greater. He thought that his possessive interest over his   
   wife justified him in leading a whole country into war and destroying a whole   
   city. My wife left me as    
   well, but I never did anything similar.   
      
   Greeks are known for having been misogynistic; and there are two sources of   
   that influence. One is the wrong lessons learned from Trojan War. The other is   
   a result of having ridiculously high expectations for women. If you have   
   unrealistic expectations,    
   you will be disappointed with most of what you get. So they expected of women   
   ridiculous things and became misogynistic when the women couldn’t meet these   
   expectations. They passed down this disastrous attitude to posterity, and   
   women today keep    
   suffering as a result.   
      
   As for the Trojan War, wrong lessons have been learned from it. Some people   
   see romantic love as vanity; but I’ve known matches made by scientists and   
   military people of World War II generation that started with love at first   
   sight and were still going    
   strong when the parties were in their 90s. And while Iliad blames Paris and   
   Helen for the war, the true villain was Menelaus.   
      
   It is inevitable that people will make romantic attachments. It is also   
   inevitable that these get challenged. This reality needs to be dealt with as   
   all human realities. People must solve such situations in a peaceful and   
   civilized manner. Having    
   maintained a positive relationship with my former wife, I know that this is   
   possible. And I highly recommend that path to other men.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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